Cartoon Networks/AS News!

[Hiltz]

"For ratings purposes, Turner Broadcast will split Adult Swim from Cartoon Network at the end of this month. The split will see two separate networks, Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, carried on the same cable channels at different times of the day.

Ratings tracking firm Nielson will begin classifying Adult Swim as a separate network on Monday, March 28th.

The move will improve Adult Swim's appearance in ratings comparisons, the new network will be #1 in its time period on basic cable among adults 18-34, with 11 of the top 50 ad-supported cable programs among adults 18-34."

[the shining]

Is it still going to be one channel. if so, they can't show that during the day, there's kids watching it.

[Goldenavatar]

So basically, Adult Swim is still going to be on the channel we find Cartoon Network on, but it'll be split into a totally seperate programming block. Like cinemax and skin-a-max, or Nickelodeon from nick at night?

[Robosockmonkey]

I was going to say the Nickelodeon/Nick at night thin g, but it has been covered.

[Hiltz]

Yeah, I guess it will remain on the same channel but the change will be that Adult Swim will no longer be part of Cartoon Network but recognized as it's own network instead which probably also means that Adult Swim will have a bit more freedom to do what they want.

Maybe it is a good thing because new shows like Naruto will eventually join the Adult Swim lineup and maybe that means Naruto won't be as severely edited but then again who knows for sure. IF the editing doesn't kill the show then maybe the dubbing will lol. :huh:

Then there is also the Adult Swim *Free on Demand* channel for the people who have Digital Cable. :)

[Snowfox]

Watch CN's ratings plummet after this. X3

[Alucard1515]

Watch CN's ratings plummet after this. X3
Plenty of people still watch shows that aren't on Adult Swim... just not adults (mostly). I'm sure their 18-25 (or whatever) ratings will drop, but it probably won't affect their younger audience, which is who they're going for.

[Hiltz]

Lol, yeah seriously.

Family Guy alone is one of the most watched animated shows on basic cable television thanks to its dvd sales and its showing on the Adult Swim block.

Without Toonami and Adult Swim, Cartoon Network is nothing more than a step above Nickelodeon lol.

Now, the Fox network is going to show new episodes in a couple months but knowing Fox they'll find a way to ruin Family Guy like how they overdue reality shows and all.

[Alucard1515]

Okay...

CN does just fine on it's own. They still top the ratings with younger viewings in certain time slots, so it's not like they're hurting. Their other shows are aimed at a younger audience, and you've outgrown most of them, it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the network.

[the shining]

Lol, yeah seriously.

Family Guy alone is one of the most watched animated shows on basic cable television thanks to its dvd sales and its showing on the Adult Swim block.

Without Toonami and Adult Swim, Cartoon Network is nothing more than a step above Nickelodeon lol.

Now, the Fox network is going to show new episodes in a couple months but knowing Fox they'll find a way to ruin Family Guy like how they overdue reality shows and all.

Not even that anymore, With several [dare I say it] Decent Shows on Nickolodeon and all of the cool shows on Cartoon Network being moved to saturday's. Nickolodeon has a better daytime show. :ohno:

[Hiltz]

If you are personally a younger viewer than decent shows on Nickelodeon is understandable. :)

CN will just not get as much attention from oldier audiences since Adult Swim will no be seperating soon, that's all.

My comment about Family Guy was simply stating that it is one of the most successful shows on the Adult Swim programming.
(despite it's non -stop reruns) :shock:

[chain2treechick]

i really can't see CN's older audience ratings to be anything other than nonexistant after this. and i could even see this making adult swim even more popular, just because its "not cartoon network". could go either way. i'm happy about it though. i just wish adult swim would be able to play more anime series at one time...this slow rotating is tough...not that i mind seeing wolf's rain again. **sniff, sniff**...last episode was last night...i'm still getting over it...no matter how many times....
where's that darn tissue box...

[Shou]

hopefully this means theyll get rid of that majorly stupid friday night cartoon thing. Atleast TBS countered the loss of adult swim on friday with a few adult swim shows of their own (I cant stand the oblongs and that family cartoon though), but I would rather watch real adult swim on friday.

[VTS_v2.0]

Naruto is coming to Adult Swim? I had never heard about this....

At any rate, the split of CN and Adult Swim might be a good move. As said before, it'll open up more opportunities to more shows. Maybe at this point, they might be able to get Samurai Champloo(awesome series).

[Sev]

As long as they keep aqua teen showing I'm fine with it. Shake, meatwod, and frylock are all three of my personalities split up.

[Hiltz]

http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/download/
All the naruto theme music along with other new tv series can be found here.

Apparently, Naruto looks like it will go in the Toonami programming block for a while until later on when Adult Swim is supposedly to take it from there. If you thought Inuyasha was a long series, wait till Naruto comes. Hopefully even though it is now liscened the japanese subbing fangroups will continue if the North American version becomes too heavily butchered by editing which is one of the most feared reasons why some people are dissappointed at the surprising Naruto news.

The seperation date is getting closer and closer. :D

I wonder if Adult Swim will be given the new season of Family Guy once it is shown on the Fox network because Fox was stupid to cancel the show only to have Adult Swim ressurect it and help make it a bigger success.

I never thought about this yet but when Adult Swim is seperated from Cartoon Network.. what wil become of the Saturday night line up schedule for Toonami? Maybe they'll bring in new or old series or just fill in the rest of the time slots will mindless and least watched cartoon network shows. :crying:
(Gundam Seed for instance is shown on Saturday morninings at 1 AM now)

Gundam Seed Destiny is most likely going to be added to Adult Swim or Cartoon Network sometime down the road this year or next.

[Twitch]

There bringing in Paranoia agent too (another great show by Geneon...makers of The new Appleseed, and Samurai Champloo :) my favorite show )

[Charlie]

Oh dag, Appleseed 2004 ruled so hard. I was -really- impressed with the animation. And, my 2 cents on the split/ratings thing, I don't know if it will affect the ratings too much, I mean, it's still on the same channel. I know when I actually watched television, I left it on the same channel.. Cartoon Network. Especially because I was waiting for Toonami to come on, so I didn't miss anything ;) I'm sure other people will/have done the same and will continue to.

[Charlie]

Hey Hiltz, GREAT link man, that brings back some great Toonami memories :) downloading the crap out of them.

[Naota]

LOL ditto charlie, I gave that link to one of my friends and he's downloading like crazy from it.

I'm still a bit confused about Adult Swim being a "seperate channel" from cartoonnetwork. Will it be available to dish users?

[Grey_skies]

Hey, HILTZ, where did you hear that Naruto will be with Adult Swim later on? I don't think so, because Naruto is A KID show and i don't think they're going to have a nice, kiddy, mellow dub then just switch it to bloody gore for adult swim. And it will be more difficult for a show to transpher from Cn to AS since they are seperating, so i'm just wondering.

[Hiltz]

GET READY FOR THIS! The NEW Adult Swim 2005!
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6181

MAY 2005 - new shows

Samurai Champloo (Saturday May 14,11:30pm)
Paranoia Agent (Saturday May 28, 12:00am)
s-CRY-ed (Saturday May 28, 12:30am)
Inuyasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time (Saturday May 14, 12:00am)
Metropolis (Saturday May 21, 12:00am)

JUNE 2005 - new shows

New episodes of Inuyasha

JULY 2005

Escaflowne: The Movie

AUGUST 2005

Inuyasha movie: The Castle Beyond the Looking Glass

SEPTEMBER 2005

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig (second season)

Cowboy Bebop: The Movie


For the Naruto/One Piece Link.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6178

It is said that One Piece is to start in May and tha Naruto is to join CN following the third quarter this year. .

In Japan, Naruto is one of the most successful anime shows and it's gotten the attention of North America. From what I've read it seems that Naruto's liscencing will proceed to edit the show to some extent because American censhorship is so harsh on "cartoon blood" and all lol. I personally think Naruto will make a fine edition to the Adult Swim line up although the dubbing and editing is something to be feared by all fan sub lovers.

Rave Master is more of a "kids show" than Naruto but then again that's one of the reasons why Rave Master is shown on Toonami instead of Adult Swim.

It's now a 3 day countdown until March 28 - Adult Swim's rebirth.

[Naota]

Hey, HILTZ, where did you hear that Naruto will be with Adult Swim later on? I don't think so, because Naruto is A KID show and i don't think they're going to have a nice, kiddy, mellow dub then just switch it to bloody gore for adult swim.


I don't think "sexy no jutsu" is very child-friendly...

[Hiltz]

Good point there. :D

[Naota]

I've got another question Hiltz:
If cartoonnetwork and Adult Swim are still going to be on the same channel, what will the schedule be?! will it be half and half, more adult swim, more cartoonnetwork?

[Hiltz]

This is all I know, unfortunetly.

The split will see two separate networks, Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, carried on the same cable channels at different times of the day.

According to the news report, as of March 28, Adult Swim will air on
Monday-Thursday, Saturday & Sunday, 11 p.m.-6 a.m.

From this it may be safe to say that Adult Swim will start at it's normal time of 11 pm but it will be gain an additional 1 hour to air shows.

The main reason why Adult Swim is doing this is so that they can improve their already highly successful ratings even more between the viewer ages of 18-34 as well as gaining one more hour to air tv shows.

[Grey_skies]

The sexy-no-justu parts will probably be editted out entirely. And in Japan it is considered a Kids show, maybe early teens too. Anyways, I don't think it's going to be on adult swim...ever, because of what has been said, and what has happened to the networks.
READ THIS http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6040

[Naota]

Well I still hope they air Naruto somewhere, I don't care if it's on Toonami or Adult Swim, I've only read the manga, I haven't seen the anime. :p

[Hiltz]

I made a big mistake in my previous post/s where I mention Naruto being shown on Adult Swim and wanted to apoligize for that and that I have correct those errors on the posts that I realized were wrong.

The fact is Naruto will be showing on Cartoon Network's Toonami in late 2005. The main reason why it will be on Toonami is Toonami seems to be the more suitable programing block to air a show like Naruto.


However,It is possible that Naruto may then be moved to Adult Swim but that is just an assumption by myself as well as what networks have made into a possibility. I don't fully believe everything is set in stone until we actually get to see for our own eyes where Naruto will ultimately end up in the long run but anything is possible lol.

Some more news in addition to Cartoon Network 2005 new episodes.

Teen Titans: Seventeen new episodes bring new and exciting changes for the Teen Titans in 2005. Cyborg has a final showdown with Brother Blood and the Teen Titans move to a new tower with five new members. This year, Aqualad, Bumblebee and Speedy pitch in to help the Teen Titans.

Justice League Unlimited: This season, Black Canary, Shayera, Vigilante, Vixen and The Question step up to face such villains as Lex Luthor, Felix Faust and Tobias Whale. And Superman takes on Cadmus in a battle that will determine the future of the league. Twenty-three new episodes will air in 2005.


Expect to see many new episodes for these two series in particular.

[Snowfox]

Umm, the Sexy Techniques are already censored by the shows animators. There's no reason for them to be cut out.

Plus, it's not just a kids show..

[Hiltz]

American censorship is known to take out ridiculous proportions and or replace text and shows like Cowboy Bebop were no exception even considering it was on Adult Swim.

Hopefully, the less editing they do then the closer they can stick to the original Japanese version to make everyone happy as far as scenes go.

[Shou]

Im still trying to figure out why full metal alchemist is on adult swim, its like yu-gi-oh for teens or something. And dont get me started on inu yasha.

I wish adult swim would stick to adult themed shows. Rather than taking kids shows in japan and then putting them "uncensored" on adult swim just because theres some violence or suggestive themes.

[Snowfox]

Just because an anime is geared towards adults doesn't mean it's good.

[Hiltz]

Inuyasha has several mild sexual things in it from Miroku's ass grabbing of females to the several nude scenes where of course censhorship is still present. Strangly, Inuyasha's ratings particularly among male viewers are what help keep the ratings high.

FMA has several intense blood scenes like when Edward Elric lost his limbs in a pool of blood but other than that there isn't much else that wouldn't make it a more kid appropriate type of show.

Witch Hunter Robin and Wolf's Rain were an adult swim exclusive in attempt to help boost ratings further which it did but no where near the likes of highly more successful shows like Cowboy Bebop. Although shows like Yu Yu Hakusho started out on Adult Swim until bouncing over to Toonami.

Tomorrow's the seperation day so maybe Adult Swim will be given better access to more mature shows.

Probably one of the main reasons why shows like FMA and Inuyasha are on Adult Swim instead of Toonami is because the success of the show is determined in part by their ratings and to get that the shows are placed on Adult Swim where they are supposedly considered most appropriate and having a generally big teenage/adult audience and Adult Swim where the shows will most likely be watched more so than if they were on Toonami.

Then there's shows like Ghost in the Shell which is easily considered a more appropriate Adult Swim show.

[DN]

Im still trying to figure out why full metal alchemist is on adult swim, its like yu-gi-oh for teens or something.

Um, I'm going to assume you haven't actually watched the show if you're making that comparison. I haven't actually watched the US version yet, so I don't know how much they've censored, but I've seen the whole series and I would definitely think that it's not really a "kids" show. There's quite a bit of killing and themes that you wouldn't normally find in a kids show. I think it makes sense in adult swim.

It's also, in my opinion, one of the best anime I've seen in a few years, so I'm almost kind of insulted to hear it compared to yugioh. It's nothing like that show. Yugioh is just there to sell a card game. FMA actually has a story, and a pretty good one at that. :p

[Alucard1515]

Yeah, I agree with DN.

But, the show does seem to have a split personality. Sometimes it can be extremely silly and goofy, other times it is dead serious, and deals with some serious subjects.

[Shou]

Rather than taking kids shows in japan and then putting them "uncensored" on adult swim just because theres some violence or suggestive themes.
I dont think it should be on adult swim just because of those things, that doesnt make it a show for adults, it makes it a kids show with stuff unsuitable to american parents. I dont care about superficial crap like ass grabbing or partial nudity, the stories to shows like inu yasha are still made for young teens.

Theres plenty of good adult aimed shows and non-age specific shows they can choose from instead of adding stuff that should be on toonami or WB. Kids complain about super milk chan and want it off the air which will most likely happen at some point, they complained about lupin and got that off for months at a time, crap like that affects their line up when they get a larger audience of kids.

So far I cant stand FMA, the main character is never consistent with his real abilities and farts around in fights which reminds me of yu-gi-oh and other shows like that. The story has just made me annoyed with the characters so far but Ive pretty much stopped watching it lately and turn it to nick at night instead.

[DN]

But, the show does seem to have a split personality. Sometimes it can be extremely silly and goofy, other times it is dead serious, and deals with some serious subjects.

I attribute that more to the culture since a lot of anime has that sort of personality. Even Ghost in the Shell has the fuchikoma which are kind of silly at times.

Also, I think I agree with you, Shou, if what you're saying is that parents are too whiny about violence and complaining about shows that kids could probably watch, but that's always how it's been in America. I also think that some of these shows would be fine in the regular lineups outside Adult Swim as you said, but the FCC is retarded about stuff like that, not to mention the parent groups. I assume that if they moved anything over during the day, they would have to censor things more. I would rather have something uncensored at night then censored during the day, personally. I don't really blame CN for that since they have to deal with the stupid system.

I do still think that FMA is borderline though. It's definitely more violent at points than inuyasha and while I personally might not mind my kids watching it, I don't expect the more conservative parents to accept it when they can't even accept the dumber shows.

[Hiltz]

One-third of our viewing audience is over 18, so it makes sense to provide programming that is created specifically for a more mature audience. All Adult Swim shows on the lineup are rated either TV-14 or TV-PG. - AS website

So why FMA and Inuyasha?

I think these shows felt more appropriate by Cartoon Network's Adult Swim programming block rather than being put on any other place. The content of these shows are just more suitable and would recieve a better response from the targeted age groups of Adult Swim viewers and besides showing them later at night when the younger kids are asleep makes parents feel safer than if these shows where shown earlier in the day. Of course, you can't satisfy everyone.

Inuyasha also contains some mild language, Watch out parents!! :eek:
Besides I doubt many younger viewers would understand the more complex story line that is revealed later in the FMA series.

[Alucard1515]

I attribute that more to the culture since a lot of anime has that sort of personality. Even Ghost in the Shell has the fuchikoma which are kind of silly at times.
But the tone of Ghost in the Shell is usually pretty serious, even when they have the Fuchikomas in them. Anyway, I wasn't complaining about it, it just seems weird how it shifts between those two extremes.

[Shou]

I liked the tachikomas :P they were excited goofy robots that were fascinated about computer science, death, and philosophy. Some of the most interesting episodes revolved around the tachikomas, like when the tachikoma took that girl around the city and tried to understand life, or when the tachikomas discovered individualism. I think their voices fit their over zealous nature and curiosity rather than make it aimed at kids

the stuff I cant stand in anime is the teen angst crap and meaningless relationship drama. That stuff is made for kids since thats what they are "going through" too

[Hiltz]

Tachikoma's kick ass!

They have ghosts just like everyone else. :crying:


Excluding Batou, the Tachikomas provide a sense of comic relief in a philosophical manner by questioning their own existence when there's so much seriousness in the series. I was caught off guard by their childish voices at first but I think they're cool. Included on the dvds are bizzare Tachikoma short animation sketches for those who have yet to watch ghost in the shell:sta on dvd.

[Alucard1515]

Yeah, the episode when it was just nothing but Fuchikomas talking to each other (right before the episode when they were sent back for testing) was one of my favorites.

[Hiltz]

That was a good episode.

There's a really sad episode involving the Tachikomas that has yet to air on Adult Swim.

I was watching Ghost in the Shell (movie) on one of the basic cable channels a few weeks ago and you know the part at the end of the movie where Kusanagi has to fight that giganitic tan colored tank? It looks similar to the tachikoma's mechanical design.

[DN]

Heh, I liked GITS also, but I was just trying to make a point that it's pretty common to throw in the comic relief in a slightly different way than western shows.

I also liked the second half of FMA better than the first, so I guess I could see why Shou might not be too interested in it initially. The first few episodes are mostly setup and backstory and then things start to pickup later on. If the us dub is more annoying than the japanese version, than maybe it makes even more sense. FMA goes on for 51 episodes though and only has one long story arc. Plus, it's difficult for me to justify why I don't really think it's a kids show without giving away some spoilers.

[Shou]

I just realised I spelled them as fuchikomas too, I keep confusing fujikoma and tachikoma togoether. I usually have to remember the quote "what are you damn tachikomas up to?" to figure out the damn difference in spelling

you started a chain reaction DN

[DN]

Doh, but I think they're basically the same thing, aren't they? The tv show does call them tachikoma though. I think it's fuchikoma in the manga.

[Hiltz]

If you go to the www.adultswim.com website you'll now notice that their time has changed from 11 PM - 5 AM to 11 PM -6 AM.

[Shou]

well fuchikoma is the original big tank she had without wheels, tachikomas are those new blue things

[Raziel_Doomgate]

ok can some 1 help me. is it really a proper manga channel on cartoon network and what time pls and can you get that with sky tv

[Alucard1515]

Huh?

Nothing's really different. It's just Adult Swim is being considered a different network now, but it still comes on at the same time and airs the same shows.

[CuriousJoe8]

hopefully this means theyll get rid of that majorly stupid friday night cartoon thing

yes, let us pray for no more shitty friday night programming on cartoon network, or dare i say...ADULT SWIM! YEAH, WOOHOO! Thats great news to me :D

[Naota]

Wow, I come back to this site after being off for a few days or so, and I see cats. Love the new style, cats taste like chicken.
Anyway, now I'm disappointed because at first I thought cartoonnetwork and adult swim would be seperate channels. But now I see they are not, just an extra hour for adult swim. Oh well.


yes, let us pray for no more shitty friday night programming on cartoon network, or dare i say...ADULT SWIM
I know I know I dont like it much either. But come on, cartoonnetwork isn't going to be always TV-14. Give the kiddies something to watch once in a while. Though, I think "pet Alien" and "atomic betty" should be put on nickalodean or something. Drives me nuts when those kinds of shows come on. Give more anime please?

[Hiltz]

Cartoon Network and Adult Swim are seperate networks now.


Adult Swim and Cartoon Network are still on the same channel

Adult Swim still starts at the same time.

Adult Swim is just an additional hour longer.

They have declared their freedom from Cartoon Network.. Let freedom ring. :dance:

Honestly? Who stays up past 5 AM watching television?

[Hiltz]

More news - Cartoon Network's Toonami -

Anyone remember the special premiere of 5-minute episodes of IGPX that Toonami showed a long time ago?

Well according to AnimeNewsNetwork, IGPX better known as Immortal Grand Prix, is coming back to Toonami in Fall 2005 as a full animated series.

[oringe]

any news on that boondocks cartoon that ive missed?

[Hiltz]

boondocks cartoon? :confused:

[desade]

:mad: i hate this, i live in australia and all we have is tri gun, evangelion, bubble gum crisis and tenchi muyo!!!! and its only on, on fridays :mad:

[Hiltz]

bummer. :(

You mean to say you've never seen anime series like Cowboy Bebop?

There are fansubs you can download episodes (some are in japanese with english subtitles while others are in japanese with no subtitles or some are luckily dubbed in english) of existing anime but we can't get into detail about it here on the forum.

[Eiyuu_Kou]

Check meh discussion on GITS on my thread.