Disagreements

[the shining]

Have you ever had that one show that you hated but everyone else liked EX. Power Rangers.

[Hiltz]

God yes.

Power Rangers and Pokemon are at the top of my memory chart.

Power Rangers is so annoying that they try to reinvent themselves in almost every season or something whenever commerials air for them. As far as Pokemon goes I just don't plain like silly looking animals talking in a cutesy language that only consists of them repeating parts of their names and characters putting these wild animals and enslaving them to fight for them.

[Snowfox]

The shows I like/dislike are fairly evenly liked/disliked by everyone I know. :huh:

[Hiltz]

Ouch. :D

[FigureFour]

Come on. No one with a functional brain likes the Power Rangers.

On an embarassing side note, our very own Bran Eating Zombie used to own a copy of the Power Rangers game for Super Nintendo.

Now let us all laugh at him in unison!

[Krieock]

Jesus christ... most of my gayass friends used to love power rangers... Omg, I tried to watch a whole episode when I was 9 or 10 ... I can still remember the queasy feeling I get everytime I see the flimsy costumes, poor excuses for explosions(sparklers - mostly), and the kicking and punching that makes them all look like Christopher Lowell fighting another fag over some polkadot fabric(poor metaphor). And that wasn't including the dialogue and storyline, which from what I gathered was always about not smoking, using drugs, or how to be a douche bag.

[Azmodeus]

Something worse than the power rangers... VR Troopers :o

A sad attempt to copy and compete with an already f'd up show like Power Ranger.
What's even more sad, they failed, omg.

[Naota]

Spongebob Squarepants. I can't stand that show, everyone raves about "OOHH SPONGEBOB I LOVE THAT SHOW!" but really, it's not that great. I could have thought of a sponge that lives in a sea any day, but no, some guy had to get rich off of it. That could have been me.

[Azmodeus]

"OOHH SPONGEBOB I LOVE THAT SHOW!"



... juuuuust kidding, what I dont get is why a squirrel hamster creature is living under water. I lack in the knowledge of SpongeBOB.

BUT are you pissed off that the show sucks, or pissed off you didnt create it?

[TSD]

Out of all the contradictory shit in that show (basic physics above all else...how the **** can you fire grill a krabby patty under water), you're telling me Sandy Cheeks is one of the biggest mysteries in your universe?

[Hiltz]

Spongebob Squarepants. I can't stand that show, everyone raves about "OOHH SPONGEBOB I LOVE THAT SHOW!" but really, it's not that great. I could have thought of a sponge that lives in a sea any day, but no, some guy had to get rich off of it. That could have been me.
Lol, man your so right. :bow:

The old Godzilla movies had better acting and better special effects than Power Rangers. When an actor plays a power ranger that is the day they ridicule themselves more so than struggling child actors doing cheap commericials just to do what they can to stay on the air in such a pathetic attempt.

A kid's cartoon show doesn' thave to make any logical sense at all. Of course, if they try to reinact it by capturing a squirrel and putting a fishbowl over it's head and forcing it down into the water then they learn a valuable lesson or maybe not.

[Azmodeus]

. . . I'm glad you're in tune w/the sponge bob world to correct my o so horrible misjudgement TDS. Like I said before, maybe this time it'll get lodged in the thick headedness, I lack in the knowledge of the Sponge BOB way so sry, cut me some friggin slack.

EDIT* Godzilla, we use to watch those movies in my spanish class. It was kinda funny seeing a bunch of Japanese people running away yelling, "NO ME GUSTA, NO ME GUSTA GODZILLA!!!" - ooh the memories.

[Naota]

The old Godzilla movies had better acting and better special effects than Power Rangers.

I know, and for some reason...it's, still, airing. Someone help me, all I see is hips shaking around when a power ranger is trying to defend itself from the hyper active statues called "giant robots" that have no flexibility whatsoever.

[dfacto]

I loved Power Rangers and VR troopers. They were so bad that they became good.

There was some other show too... Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad. That was pretty hilarious too. :D

[Azmodeus]

What about the ummm . . . Beetle Men, Beetle Borgs

Beetle Borgs, wtf was that all about? And why was Jay Leno in it?

[Hiltz]

God, why does that sound so hauntingly familiar?

OH GOD THE HORROR!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Hiltz/new031080.jpg

We are going to need a big boot to kill these cockroaches

[dfacto]

HA, I remember those guys! Didn't watch more than an episode or two though.

[FigureFour]

Good old TV designed to sell toys.

[dfacto]

I wonder why they didn't just do a stop motion show with toys. Could have done the advertising and the grunt work in one blow. Acting probably would have been better than the live action anyways.

[Alucard1515]

When an actor plays a power ranger that is the day they ridicule themselves more so than struggling child actors doing cheap commericials just to do what they can to stay on the air in such a pathetic attempt.

Oh yeah?
One of the original Power Rangers played Rondell, the drug dealer working for Vic in Season 1 of The Shield.

PR was terrible, but he was good on The Shield. Hell, I didn't even know that was him until I read it somewhere.

[Naota]

Geez, these shows bring back so many good memories of when Nickelodeon was..."cool." Of course I was like 5 years old and there'd be cheap McDonalds toys based on these shows. But, I still remember. :D So don't you dare make fun of VR troopers of Beetle Borgs, they rocked!
Also, shouldn't this topic be in the members lounge?

[Hiltz]

Oh yeah?
One of the original Power Rangers played Rondell, the drug dealer working for Vic in Season 1 of The Shield.

I also remember that episode and he was one of the lucky ones to be able to get a temporary role on a good show like the Shield. However, once a power ranger always a power ranger.

[Alucard1515]

He was a recurring character. He was probably in half the episodes in the first season.

[Hiltz]

Rondell Robinson's (Walter Jones) appearence on Shield I think is credited as a guest star role. Rondell was involved or otherwise credited for three episodes (co-pilot,Carnivores, and Dawg Day)from what I can recall but his character was short-lived in order to further satisfy the expanded story plot of the three episodes. Although his character did play an imporant part but in the end he was an expendable character.

My point was basically and I say this loosely that when you have been credited as being a former power ranger then your not exactly going to be the most wanted actor for star roles on Hollywood's list for television and movies. Obviously Walter Jones was fortunete enough to get a guest star role on the Shield.

[Bloodstar]

I hated Wolf's Rain but a lot of people liked it.

And a few of my friends say they don't like Cowboy Bebop :shock:

I think they have terrible taste in anime/manga though since they will read almost anything. Luckily I have other friends with much better tastes, more like mine.

[FigureFour]

People with terrible taste aren't really your friends.

[Hiltz]

Any particular reason why you disliked Wolf's Rain?

Your friends are certainly entitled to their own opinions but they must be crazy lol.

[mofo09]

naruto and inuyasha

[Bloodstar]

People with terrible taste aren't really your friends. We have other things in common, but yeah, they aren't really my best friends. They are part of a group I hang out with.
Any particular reason why you disliked Wolf's Rain? A crappy story that didn't make sense to me. All this stupid crap about Wolves that can look like humans and they are always looking for "paradise". Flower maidens... nobles... I had no idea what they were talking about. I didn't care either.

[Snowfox]

They were trying -way- too hard to make Wolf's Rain depressing. Almost to the point that I just didn't really care anymore because it desensitized me to their plight.

[Aires]

I don't know why some people give Naruto a rip. I kinda enjoy it for what it is, a ****ed up show that happens to be hilarious with fanservice.

I geuss my choice would be Akira. Theres nothing wrong with the animation or the characters or anything, but it just came off as bad sci-fi

[Krieock]

What was that show... on either the WB or Fox... It was like Beetleborgs+Power Rangers in like the middle ages... And there was a gayass intro song that made me want to vomit... and there were three of them: a white guy, a black guy, and a girl. And they had to fight like a boss to get their special weapons...
Man that sucked...
Does anyone know the name of it?
And also: that western cartoon about some little kid who's a reincarnated pharo(how do you spell that?) and he had like all the others, three different mummy-type people trying to protect him from some evil or another... And like the nameless show mentioned above: it had a disgusting intro song, truly vomit-inducing.

[Krieock]

I don't know why some people give Naruto a rip. I kinda enjoy it for what it is, a ****ed up show that happens to be hilarious with fanservice.

I geuss my choice would be Akira. Theres nothing wrong with the animation or the characters or anything, but it just came off as bad sci-fi
I've never seen Naruto (but it seems to be pretty popular)
As for Akira... I really dissliked the anime style, most of the main characters, and I really didn't like the storyline.
I think the only reason so many people are Akira fanatics is b/c it was one of the first anime movies to be translated and imported to the US. But I don't know much about Akira's history - just that I don't like it.

[Snowfox]

And also: that western cartoon about some little kid who's a reincarnated pharo(how do you spell that?) and he had like all the others, three different mummy-type people trying to protect him from some evil or another... And like the nameless show mentioned above: it had a disgusting intro song, truly vomit-inducing.

Mummies! Alive.. my friend in 6th grade raved about that show all day.

[TSD]

pharao

[Azmodeus]

Mummies alive was awesome. Mainly cause I always get into the whole Egyptians history. Even if it was fictional.

I can't stand Akira. It felt like it took 50 billion hrs to finish. The only badass thing that came out of that anime was the bike. I saw in a "GameINFORMER" (or some game magazine) the Japanese have built that bike to perfection. If I find the article I'll scan it in or something. Friggin' Pimp.

TOP 5 reason why I think everyone likes NARUTO:
a) its about NINJAs
b) you watch and grow up with these kids who are tryin to becom ninjas
c) like in all successful anime, it goes from Wacky funny to Extreme serious
d) Naruto isn't the only focused character, they all grow on you
c) come on! its about f'in NINJAS, and we all know ninjas kick ass!!

[Snowfox]

I love Naruto for its humor more than anything else. The action is also unbelievably cool. It's kind of like a new Dragonball for me.

[Azmodeus]

I know you arent comparing it to DB, but it really sounds like it.

Its nothing like it, It shames DB and puts it where it should be. At the bottom.

[Krieock]

Hahah, please tell me you all are joking about Mummies! Alives.... please... ha ha ?

[FigureFour]

I love Naruto for its humor more than anything else. The action is also unbelievably cool. It's kind of like a new Dragonball for me.

Oh come on!
Naruto was tolerable. I watched several episodes (30 or so) and I never felt like I had wasted those 10 hours. I even read a few volumes of the manga too. I mean, I don't love the show, and I'm never going to watch the rest, but DBZ made me feel like it had wasted my time before it was even done recapping the last episode.

[the shining]

I'm sorry. I still haven't seen Naruto. I read one manga but that was it.

Oh and I know that my friends do have really bad taste. I mean if your in high school and you actually want to see the new Dragonball AF series then just stay away from me. and I know that they have their own opinion but if all three of them agree then there's something wrong there.

I also hated the power rangers but I still had friends in 7th grade who loved that show. all it was was a bad attempt to do a live action anime show with american people.

[Bloodstar]

Lol, I forgot about Dragonball Z. I liked it until a certain point in the series. Funny thing about DBZ is there are just as many fans as people that hate it.

[someone1074]

the shining...hm...I can agree with u on DBAF (doesn't exist...its crap anyway...SS8?! WHAT?!) but Power Rangers...

hm...I'll agree that the American version was pretty crappy but don't diss its intention...back in Japan those kind of shows (super Senshin type...? Damn I forgot the name...) are extremely popular and are usually paired with alot more mature themes than the American rehash we're shown back over here. The only things that were original from Japan in the American episodes are about 50% of the fight scenes and NOTHING else. The script, the dialogue, the 'major' villains, its all American add-ons...which is why it was derived as such crap.

Catch one episode of one of the newer Japanese Super Senshin episodes...they're definitely different (when dealing with the homosexuality of one of the main characters (a girl no less) is part of the story-lines for one episode...u know it wouldn't be touched on our shores)

[Snowfox]

People, I said Dragonball, not Dragonball Z.

[FigureFour]

I call the whole mess DBZ, because I don't give a shit what letters they stick after it's name, it's still a crappy show.

Although it wasn't always as crappy as it became, I don't ever remember it being good.

[Snowfox]

Dragonball was much different than Z in my opinion. :3

[FigureFour]

While I respect your opinion, it's my opinion that everyone else is wrong.

[Snowfox]

So that would mean the people agreeing with you would be wrong, which means in turn you'd be wrong...
Damn you and your shifty paradoxes.

[Alucard1515]

Mummies! Alive.. my friend in 6th grade raved about that show all day.
I wanted so badly to like that show... it had potential... and occassionally good animation... but they just cheesed it up.

A fighting style called Egyptsu? AHHH!!! NO! There was an episode were monster trucks came to life or something... I don't know. The idea wasn't terrible, the execution was.

I do remember a flashback episode showing what happened in ancient Egypt was pretty good, and actually showed how that Scarab guy killed the pharaoh, but other than that, they were generally pretty cheesy.

[the shining]

someone1074: I know what your talking about but I never said any of those shows I was talking about the power ranger only . My point is that they ran the same thing all 11 seasons. it got way too repetative. I lost my intrest when I saw the fourth season. honestly, they show the same enemies all the time. now I'm not dissin' all of the other shows out there [probably because it's the only type of those shows I ever watched] and I'm sorry if it sounds like I am.

[Bloodstar]

I don't like Full Metal Alchemist either. Lots of people like it though.

[Fishlike Samurai]

What was that show... on either the WB or Fox... It was like Beetleborgs+Power Rangers in like the middle ages... And there was a gayass intro song that made me want to vomit... and there were three of them: a white guy, a black guy, and a girl. And they had to fight like a boss to get their special weapons...
Man that sucked...
Does anyone know the name of it?

Mystic Knights of Tyrnathingy.

[Azmodeus]

Ive only seen a couple of episodes of Full Metal Alchemist, and those to kept my attention. I think they are gonna be great additions to my short archive of good anime.
I kinda feel sry for those kids.

Ya know Power Rangers wasnt so bad until they aired a second episode. :/
I could *almost* care less what a show is like in Japan. If we corrupt it and it sucks, o well, I'm still not gonna watch it.

[Snowfox]

Mystic Knights of Tyrnathingy.

I liked that one. :3

[Azmodeus]

. . .

[Snowfox]

I was like, 12, screw you. >:

[Azmodeus]

lol, i didnt even say anything. touchyyyy! touchyyyy!

[someone1074]

aw come on, u gotta care a bit how the show was like in Japan...since...u know...they CREATED it. Then again its Power Rangers...so I kinda see ur point.

However,

If your watchin Full Metal Alchemist on Adult Swim...well if you've never watched the original with sub titles or don't ever intend to, then you're not missing much...but its quite a different portrayal with the original japanese dialogue and voice overs.

Then again, I probably feel this way because I saw the entire series in Japanese first before it came to US shores...guess I just got used to their voices...I dunno they all seemed so much more fitting to me.

[Azmodeus]

I hear ya on that one. I cant stand most of the American Voice acting. BUT what voices are used determines how I will watch the rest of the series. I saw Trigun in the original version and then heard the Dubs. Holy Hell it was horrible. I've only seen Full Metal Alchemist in english, I've only seen a couple of episodes but I'm positive I'm watching it in English until it's completion.

[someone1074]

then ur in for a treat. Despite 'some' of the voices, they can't spoil how awesome FMA is, specially the plot twists towards the end.

Good stuff.

[Alucard1515]

The voices are actually pretty good in the English version. I've only seen a few episodes in Japanese, but neither one of them bothers me.

[Snowfox]

I personally love FUNimation's voice cast.

[Hiltz]

The english voices for most of the FMA cast seem fine to me. ED and Al's english voices seem like a perfect match.

I've seen the Japanese version, big whoop.

[the shining]

I love that show. it may not have as much action as some but it's still pretty cool. I haven't seen it in japanese. in fact I haven't seen any shows in japanese. I don't watch much anime besides what's on adult swim and anime unleashed. I really should rent some one night at least.

[Hiltz]

Fortunetly, Adult Swim is bringing in more new anime series in May and others later this year.

May - Paranoia Agent,Samurai Champloo, s-CRY-ed,Metropolis, and
Inuyasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time

June- New episodes of Inuyasha
July- Escaflowne the movie
August- Inuyasha: The Castle Beyond the Looking Glass
September- Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG & Cowboy Bebop: The Movie

Cartoon Network is currently showing the anime series One Piece.And still no news on Naruto which is supposedly going to air sometime this year on Cartoon Network's Toonami (Saturday programming block I assume).

I'm not sure when new episodes of FMA will start.

[Bloodstar]

The reason I hate FMA has nothing to do with voice acting.

[Wyrmslayer]

The reason I hate FMA has nothing to do with voice acting.

Then what is it?

From what Ive seen FMA is pretty good, my friend is obsessed with it though.

There is some parts of the Teenage mutant Ninja turtles I didnt like, Ill explain myself.

They wore masks.

...

There Giant Talking Turtles, who fight crime, I dont think a mask is going to hide your identity much.

Michalangelo is some super genius scientist guy, but he lives in a sewer.


? That arrises more questions about how he got so smart.

Where do they get all that pizza?!

Oh well, I love that cartoon, despite some sillyness and the stuff above.

[Hiltz]

Yeah that's true. Their masks do absolutely nothing to help further disguise their appearance or help conceal their identiy because their enemies already know their names and tend to already know where they live.

I think you meant Donatello is the super genius. He probably found crap to play with floating in the sewers and built stuff out of them. The show was meant for kids to watch and they didn't care how exactly Donatello became so smart but since he is known as the scientist and knowledgable turtle then that's all the kids needed to know, they didn't need a decent explaination of how he came to be that way.

They order it from pizza places and have it delivered to the man hole where they leave the money and change for the pizza guy.

[the shining]

I don't know. I used to love the older ones. now I just think it's a bad remake.

[FigureFour]

Dude, the masks were because they looked cool.

Picture one of the turtles without his mask.

Understand now?

[the shining]

actually, they show it a lot without their mask. it just looks really weird.

[FigureFour]

That was my point.

[Azmodeus]

I believe you're not grasping one of the main facts of the Ninja Turtles.

It's a comic/cartoon, any thing could happen and there doesnt need an explanation. Questioning how they afford all that pizza is like asking how Wyle Coyote affords all his acme rockets. It's merely entertainment.

They live in the sewer because "society" probably wouldnt accept them above ground. How would you feel if a giant ninja turtle was you neighbor in the apartment next to you? The sewer is a nice habitat for them anyways. Its always damp, provides proper moisture turtles probably need.

As for Donny being super smart . . . well they all have thier own attribute that brings them together.

"Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines . . . Rapheal is rude but cool and Michaelangelo is a party dude!" Man you've really lost touch with your inner child man. I suggest you download some of the old stuff and hit base with happiness.

[Bloodstar]

Then what is it? Well, the show is based on alchemy for one. Alchemy is basically the pre-cursor to chemistry and those who practiced it used mysticism and religion to fill in the gaps. Basically I think its stupid to make a show about something that we now know as impossible. It would be different though if it showed alchemy for what it is because then it would be believable.

Now think about Ki energy and magic wishes in DBZ. I can accept both of those because people actually believe in Ki energy. Sure, they can't shoot it out in a destructive ball of light, but it works because of the idea. Magic also works, because even though in real life we know magic to be just illusions or sleight of hand, we can understand magic as doing the impossible. That means basically that if you say its just "magic" you can do anything you want.

Basically its just impossible for me to watch a show about something that I know is impossible, unless the things they are doing are described as magic because of the way we think of it. Maybe I'm just weird or something but that's the way I think.

[Wyrmslayer]

Man the old episodes were awesome.

Yeah I guess I was looking too far into it.

[FigureFour]

Basically its just impossible for me to watch a show about something that I know is impossible, unless the things they are doing are described as magic because of the way we think of it. Maybe I'm just weird or something but that's the way I think.
Alchemy IS magic. Certanly the reactions they discovered were chemical and not magical, but in the middle ages, they didn't know that and believed that they were studying magic. It was the only way they could understand what they saw.

So, in fantasy the word alchemy usually refers to a specific kind of magic.

You're entire arguement is bullshit.

[the shining]

I agree but there were lots of people who used alchemy just to trick people.

[Hiltz]

FMA goes beyond the use of just accepting alchemy as a source of super natural power. Unlike other shows that have some form of magic FMA's alchemy as a form of magic has an origin and it has meaning and it is explained. Alchemy isn't just accepted and acknowledged to exist in the world of FMA but everything about alchemy is a huge part of the story and it's characters.

Where does alchemy come from?
How does one perform alchemy?
What are the limits of alchemy if any?
Are there different forms of alchemy?
What are the requirements to using alchemy?
What is meant by equivalent exchange?

FMA asks these questions and answers them.

As unrealistic and "impossible" as alchemy in the real world is what makes it real in FMA is that the characters are humans and humans are curious about how things work.

The world of DBZ just acknowledges and accepts that magical powers exist but they do little do nothing to explain about where it comes from. They don't really care where it comes as long as they can use it.The dragon balls were created by Kami when he came to Earth. That's about as detailed as it gets.

What it all comes down is if the viewer likes or dislikes the magic concept used in the story. It doesn't matter what the origin or the meaning behind the magic is if there even is one but it sure does help make the story more intruiging.

[Naota]

What is meant by equivalent exchange?
That's what made the whole show, and to me, that got annoying. Life for a life, this for a that, many times when it got to the "equivelent exchange" discussions, I just changed the channel. I had friends who loved that anime and where obssesed with it, but looking back I don't see why. Sure, good title, good effort, the theme song is cool. :D Yep, that's enough for me. Moving on.

[AZmayu]

i disagree in all of you guy's disagreements in disagreeing each others disagreements.....lol :D

[the shining]

:confused: uh yeah...

[Sharingan]

Well the whole point behind equivalent exchange was to tie alchemy in with science (the law of conservation of mass) and give consequences to alchemy, otherwise Ed would be basically invincible and that would make the show boring. Hm...i guess i really didn't like trigun all that much. The manga's fight scenes are nearly impossible to follow due to the sketchiness and bad angles and the anime was good up until you just got really fed with Vash refusing to kill, period. In Rurouni Kenshin, at least Kenshin had a reason not to kill anyone and he almost did a few times. They also don't reveal enough of Vash's past until waaaay into the show, which makes the plot get sort of confusing. Trigun was still enjoyable, but not fantastic. ON a different note, reasons why I watch and read Naruto: The Kickass fight scenes and jutsu, watching all the characters develop (Sakura is finally not useless..), and the humour and tasteful use of morals, etc, etc. O yeah, the music kicks ass too.

Edit: The unedited DB was awesome, and DBZ was ok. The fight scenes were pretty cool although the "'HAAAAA...!!!!' fzzt crackle crackle ...5 minutes pass... 'omfg how can you have this much power?!'" ad nauseum got really annoying. At least the animation quality had improved vastly by the time the Buu saga rolled around.

[Jeanox]

I don't like naruto but everyone else seems to rave over it. Naruto = new dbz imho.

[Hiltz]

The cast of characters in Naruto I find to be most interesting in their own right. I've never seen a ninja story that actually included and based on the japanese magical beliefs and hand signs of yearly symbolized animals as the foundation of a ninja's use of mystical power.

Two fights scenes specifically made me continue to watch Naruto. The first and best fight scene was Third Hokage vs. Orochimaru and the second one was Gaara vs. Rock Lee. Although, I hate the whole "friendship" repetitive dialouge, and the annoying flashbacks. Yeah, the music is pretty good. Naruto is a far better deleveoped series than Dragon Ball Z.

[FigureFour]

I don't like naruto but everyone else seems to rave over it. Naruto = new dbz imho.
It's like DBZ with better animation and writing. So it's actually not that bad. It's not fantastic either, but it's fun.

[Bloodstar]

Alchemy IS magic. Certanly the reactions they discovered were chemical and not magical, but in the middle ages, they didn't know that and believed that they were studying magic. It was the only way they could understand what they saw. Just because they thought it was doesn't make it so. The things they do in the cartoon are nothing like what it is. It was just a guessing game where they would try different things and if they are lucky something useful might have happened.

Anyways my arguement is not "bullshit". In fact, its not an arguement up for discussion. Its just my opinion, and I'm not trying to make anyone agree. If you don't, fine, that's the whole point of this thread. I still stand by what I say, and I'd appreciate if you didn't call it "bullshit".

[Azmodeus]

the anime was good up until you just got really fed with Vash refusing to kill, period. In Rurouni Kenshin, at least Kenshin had a reason not to kill anyone and he almost did a few times. They also don't reveal enough of Vash's past until waaaay into the show, which makes the plot get sort of confusing.

Vash had a reason. Morality, it was his belief, taught by Ren, that he didn't have any right to take the life of another (I've not to sure on the background of Kenshin, but I'm almost positive its pretty much the samething). I think the fact that Vash wanders running from those that want to kill him while not killing anyone himself is awesome. Just waiting how he diffused every situaton is worth the time. He is indeed a hero, one that sacrifices his body for the greater good. Vash has also almost killed the innocent many time. His presence is enough to put people in danger. And you may be the only one who's ever been confused by the TRIGUN story line. I'm not the greatest Trigun fan, but I thought you'd like to know you were wrong.

All this talk about FMA makes me want to watch it really bad. Does anyone know if full seasons are out on DVD?

[The Bran Eating Zombie]

Also he did kill the innocent.

Thousands of innocent people actually.

[Azmodeus]

THNX Bran.

Now that I think of it yeah, he did kill a bunch of people. But those were uncontrolled were they not? It's been so long since I've seen the series, I hope I'm not sounding stupid. The attack on July was forced by Knives and Legatto's death was more like assisted suicide.

[Hiltz]

Knives list of Wrong doing - Some bad things he had done.

-Knives kills the crew of Project SEEDS
-The surviving spaceships to crash-land onto planet Gunsmoke

-Knives kills the last remaining relative of Rem on planet Gunsmoke
-Knives forces Vash to transform his arm into the Angel arm that destroys July

-Knives kills Chapel the Evergreen
-Legato's devotion to Knives is so great that he willingly wanted to die

- Caine the Longshot killed himself in failure of his mission otherwise Knives would have either done it himself or ordered someone else to do it for him

- Hopperd the Gauntlet killed himself to serve his purpose for Knives
- Grey the Ninelives destroyed himself to serve his purpose for Knives

- Vash's suffering and questioning of morality is because of Knives.

[Hiltz]

Sorry about that.

I was in my math class and was secretly on the internet because we just moved into the computer lab for our new room I had to log off before the teacher saw. I didn't realize how sluggish the computers connection was but it only should up as one post. :tear:

[Hiltz]

double post.

[FigureFour]

Just because they thought it was doesn't make it so. The things they do in the cartoon are nothing like what it is. It was just a guessing game where they would try different things and if they are lucky something useful might have happened.
Of course midevil belief in magic wasn't real! I'm just saying that the word 'ALCHEMY' implies MAGIC. That's pretty much the difference between alchemy and chemistry. You said you were ok with magic in a work of fiction, but if they don't actually use the word 'magic' or 'ki energy' (it's the same thing . . .) you aren't ok with it anymore.

And of course the cartoon didn't have REALISTIC alchemy, for one major reason. The cartoon is a work of fiction based on the premise that magical alchemy WORKS! If real alchemists had the magical powers they thought they had, it would probably be similar to the show.

Anyways my arguement is not "bullshit". In fact, its not an arguement up for discussion. Its just my opinion, and I'm not trying to make anyone agree. If you don't, fine, that's the whole point of this thread. I still stand by what I say, and I'd appreciate if you didn't call it "bullshit".
Sorry, when I said "bullshit" I was trying to emphasise the point that you are arguing that you don't like that the characters use magic, but don't call it magic. That is a stupid reason. If you had said something like "I don't like the way they do magic in that show," I woulnd't have said a word.

But what you did say was "I don't like the word alchemy," and then went on to say that you would have had no problem at all with them having magical powers if they had called it magic or ki energy.


Hiltz, I can understand screwing up and double posting sometimes, but how do you pull that one off?

[Aires]

wow three posts? Maybe you should check your connection hiltz

[Azmodeus]

Triple post, holy hellz dice. O well, I did appreciate the facts. I'm gonna have to buy that series. I got them on CDR but the rip quality sucks Bantha nuts!

. . . did I just use Star Wars for cheap jocularity? . . . did I just say jocularity?

[FigureFour]

Yes you did. On both counts. And I appreciated the used of Star Wars and the word jocularity.


You should add that word to my good words thread . . . and not just so the thread doesn't die.

[Bloodstar]

Of course midevil belief in magic wasn't real! I'm just saying that the word 'ALCHEMY' implies MAGIC. That's pretty much the difference between alchemy and chemistry. You said you were ok with magic in a work of fiction, but if they don't actually use the word 'magic' or 'ki energy' (it's the same thing . . .) you aren't ok with it anymore. That's what I'm trying to say. When I hear alchemy I think about the actual definition, which I know to be nothing like what they show in the cartoon. It goes against what I know as a fact. On the other hand magic, like I said, implies doing the impossible therefore it doesn't go against any facts. I just accept it to be fantasy. That's really the difference.

[FigureFour]

Here's something I know to be fact. You're an idiot.

[Azmodeus]

You might as well let it go Bloodstar. You could be aruging for years or until they close this thread (which ever may come first).

[FigureFour]

No he couldn't. The arguement is over.

[velcro animal]

so if Vash and Kenshin fought who would win? (^_^)

Ninja Turtles needed masks to look ninjaeer. Yay neologism!

FMA is a great series. The pathos for the main characters is great.

[FigureFour]

Well . . . My money is on the guy with the gun.

[velcro animal]

Kenshin has already shown he can dodge bullets, and it's not like vash would aim for anything vital.

[FigureFour]

I assumed as much, but Vash has allready shown that he can beat a samurai who can dodge bullets.

Assuming that they are equally fast, the guy with the gun wins.

[Snowfox]

Yeah.. the samurai in Trigun was pretty much Kenshin a la DBZ... so like... Dude, Kenshin just doesn't have a chance.

[velcro animal]

They're both super fast and the bullets kenshen was dodging were meji era bullets. I'm sure Vash's gun is faster than that, not to mention his trigger finger.

Which one of them would go crazy and kill the other first?

[FigureFour]

I think it's much more likely that Kenshin would just wind up wounded or disarmed and Vash would leave.

I mean nothing short of mind control can make Vash kill someone.

[Hiltz]

Kenshin doesn't know that Vash has two other secret weapons. Vash also has his robotic gun arm and the angel arm if he had to resort to using it.

Vash would definetly win if he had no other option of kill or be killed. We have yet to see Vash intentionally and seriously kill someone with his own free will.

Kenshin isn't the enemy Vash would be focusing on shooting, Kenshin's sword is the enemy. All Vash has to do is shoot at Kenshin's sword in order to break it. Vash's gun has proven to deflect many things that are much thicker and heavier than a katana.

Kenshin is a swordsman. If you get rid of his sword then he is pretty much helpless.

[Bloodstar]

Here's something I know to be fact. You're an idiot. I've ignored you before because you're usually cool but now I've officially lost any respect for you. Having different opinions hardly makes me an idiot. Besides, I've never said anything about your opinions.

[velcro animal]

let it go man...let it go

[Bloodstar]

Yes, and let him call me an idiot for having an opinion. Good idea.

[the shining]

They're both super fast and the bullets kenshen was dodging were meji era bullets. I'm sure Vash's gun is faster than that, not to mention his trigger finger.

Which one of them would go crazy and kill the other first?

yeah but kenshins also doged a fricken gattling gun too.

[Hiltz]

That's true but it seemed that Kenshin's speed was exaggerated for being a human. And the gunner wasn't actually mr. accuracy.

Another type of exaggeration would be Domon the main character from G-Gundam. An enemy shot at him with a gun and Domon actually caught the bullets inbetween his fingers... and he wasn't in his gundam. It's an exaggeration of their martial arts and an exaggeration for Kenshin's swordskills.

Vash was able to dodge bullets at point blank range and he's a superior being. Vash doesn't need any exaggeration to himself because he isn't human.

[Azmodeus]

BloodStar has a point, it's easy to be a victim to the wrath of FF. At times it can be a little uncalled for. Of course you might think it's justified, and at times it may be just that. But there's a line you cross every time you start name callin'.

Bloodstar, you're not gonna get an appology, and if you did I'd (shit a lot of PK'ers) would be suprised. Though I understand how you might feel, but arguing about what someone called you over the internet is probably useless. That is unless you get admins to settle things. Which would probably not be in anyones benifit.

stupid file corruptions . . . to tired. wondering if I should type this.

To late.

[Hiltz]

Figure Four seems to like the idea of pushing someone's buttons and when he pushes the right one then things can get ugly. All members should respect each other but it does prove hard to do when fellow members aren't respecting you.

[FigureFour]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's when someone completly misrepresents my intentions and/or actions, and there's a lot of that going on in this thread. I've made the reasoning behind my actions readily aparent on numerous ocasions. PAY ATTENTION.

Yes, and let him call me an idiot for having an opinion. Good idea.

First of all, I respect your right to hold whatever opinion you want. Hell, I'll defend that right wether you want me to or not.

HOWEVER, I called you an idiot because the REASONING BEHIND YOUR OPINION was so flawed that I could disect it with ease. I haven't even seen the show. I'd be inclined to agree with you though, it doesn't look that good, I peobably wouldn't like it either.

Bloodstar, you're not gonna get an appology, and if you did I'd (shit a lot of PK'ers) would be suprised. Though I understand how you might feel, but arguing about what someone called you over the internet is probably useless. That is unless you get admins to settle things. Which would probably not be in anyones benifit.

I've actually apologised to numerous people for offending them EVEN WHEN I STILL BELIEVE I WAS RIGHT. My goals are not to offend people, but the way I speak often does offend. Personaly, I don't CARE if you are offended or not, but if I think I've seriously pissed someone off who didn't deserve to be pissed off AND THEY TELL ME ABOUT IT, I will apologise.

Figure Four seems to like the idea of pushing someone's buttons and when he pushes the right one then things can get ugly. All members should respect each other but it does prove hard to do when fellow members aren't respecting you.
Once again, I speak frankly and in a vulgar manner, but with no maliciousness behind my words. If you are offended, that's something that YOU have to deal with.

Also, RESPECT is something you EARN. I have very little respect for most people on this board. I barely know most of you. If you want my respect, PROVE YOU DESERVE IT.



All that being said, in this case I offer no apology. If you are offended because some RANDOM YAHOO FROM THE INTERNET calls you an idiot, there is no way I can avoid offending you. You'd be best off avoiding talking to me (and probably other people in general) in the future.

[Azmodeus]

The right thing to do is to let it go if someone is berating you. Just IGNORE it.
Though I've thought about it, for some people it's harder than it seems to avoid harsh comments. Especially when someone kicks you in the nuts then laughs about it. That's pretty much what you did to Bloodstar.

This isn't just for FF, it's for everybody -

I have yet to be called anything because I haven't dissrespected anybody. This is managable by simply thinking about how my words will effect the person I'm commmenting to. By calling some one an idiot you have the intentions of getting a rise out of them. If you didnt intend to, think about all the people you've called an idiot or worse and they thanked you for it and not to be stupid about it. OR the last time some called you an idiot or worse and appreciated it.

(sometimes comments aren't well thought out before written and that gets us in trouble, so think before you submit. Mistakes are inevitable so try not to contradict yourself and if you find you are wrong, acceptingly admit it and appologize.)

I'm not trying to accuse anyone, I'm posting this to help people understand both end of thier comments. What the writter means and how readers will take it.

I'm sleepy now. Talk to yall in a couple of days when I re-energize from the pain lashed on my back from the demons we know as deadlines.

see ya later PK

[Bloodstar]

First of all, I respect your right to hold whatever opinion you want. Hell, I'll defend that right wether you want me to or not.

HOWEVER, I called you an idiot because the REASONING BEHIND YOUR OPINION was so flawed that I could disect it with ease. I haven't even seen the show. I'd be inclined to agree with you though, it doesn't look that good, I peobably wouldn't like it either.
The reasoning behind my opinion is based on my personality, things I like and dislike. In others words, its my logic, and it might not make sense to others. You can't change this view. If you want an example you dislike certain things that I like. I know both of us can present logic and reasoning for our views but since different things are important to us we are just never going to change our views. I don't mind if you want to discuss my views but to say I'm stupid for them is stupid in itself. If you can just understand this and not call me stupid or an idiot then I don't have a grudge with you.

I've actually apologised to numerous people for offending them EVEN WHEN I STILL BELIEVE I WAS RIGHT. My goals are not to offend people, but the way I speak often does offend. Personaly, I don't CARE if you are offended or not, but if I think I've seriously pissed someone off who didn't deserve to be pissed off AND THEY TELL ME ABOUT IT, I will apologise. If you think my views are flawed say so. I already asked you once in this thread to not call me stupid or whatever it was and you apologized. Then you went and did it again. I don't mind your sense of humor, but saying I'm stupid is sure to piss me off.

Also, RESPECT is something you EARN. I have very little respect for most people on this board. I barely know most of you. If you want my respect, PROVE YOU DESERVE IT.

All that being said, in this case I offer no apology. If you are offended because some RANDOM YAHOO FROM THE INTERNET calls you an idiot, there is no way I can avoid offending you. You'd be best off avoiding talking to me (and probably other people in general) in the future. Yeah, random people on the internet aren't going to emotionally scar me or anything, but that doesn't mean I don't get pissed off when some one insults me.

A forum is not different from any public place. The members and mods on this board just happen to be lenient, but cross the line enough and you will get banned. Respect isn't a choice. Just remember, it only takes a few people complaining about you to get you banned.

Like I said, I don't want to have to hold a grudge against you FF.

[velcro animal]

The fight would still be fun to watch.

[the shining]

are they still going at it:ohno:?

[Snowfox]

Do I still not care??

Yes.