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Hiltz

05-21-2005, 11:27 AM

Reasons why I voted for Revolution

- It will be backward compatible with GC games

- We will be able to play the old games we grew up with and play them on a new console

- Revolution's design looks the coolest and sleekest

- There will be a Super Smash Brothers online game

- There will be a possible true sequel to Mario 64 for the Revolution

- There will be a new Zelda game for the Revolution

- It will be online and possibly free and hopefully Nintendo will make it good

- Revolution's standard black color is awesome but it will also be available in different colors although the final colors haven't been chosen yet

- Nintendo's innovation with the Revolution may just be their best idea yet (whatever the true meaning behind the Revolution turns out to be)

- After this Zelda game for GameCube comes out just imagine how impressive future Zelda titles will look.

- Nintendo does seem to pull through in the end with some very interesting and good games even though it seems to take a while for them to be released

- Lastly, Nintendo wants to take gaming to a new level and they are willing to put their own reputation on the line and the future success or failure of their next-gen console and I respect that

Nothing is truly official until we see it with our own eyes.

PlayStation 3 has my second vote. You only need to see the good games that are currently available on the PS2 to realize just how much potential the PS3 will be capable of and this time around the PS3 will most likely not be the dark horse.

Even if PS3 proves to not be as powerful as the Xbox 360 Sony has one Ace up it's sleeve. Pumping out games that are decent as well as high quality titles around it's belt like GTA series, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, and Metal Gear Solid and who knows what game will be next to become a success on the PS3.

I'm not impressed by the Xbox 360's console and the not interested in having to pay to play online games.However, just because Xbox 360 has an ugly appearence doesn't mean it will have some very good games which it obviously will. I don't care about customizing the look of the Xbox 360. Customizable face plate? Lol, no thank you.

Is it just more or does the PS3 and the XBOX 360 have a list of soldier-alien warfare games? Coincidence?

Snowfox

05-21-2005, 11:28 AM

Even though I'm a PC nazi, I've consistently liked Nintendo throughout the years since my very first NES/Gameboy.
They haven't ever let me down yet.

Xion Valkyrie

05-21-2005, 11:47 AM

Definately Revolution, SSBm Online itself already made me lock my decision =)

Not to mention the new Zeldas, Marios, etc. I'll probably get PS3 too, to play all the PS2 games I missed and grab some of the new ones.

Shou

05-21-2005, 12:00 PM

Hiltz

05-21-2005, 12:03 PM

The one thing I hope these next-gen systems don't neglect is

2 Player Co-op .

There' are just too many single player games that only offer a "multiplayer mode". The current games that do offer 2 or more players to play aren't really good. I shouldn't have to remind anyone about what the good games were. :)

With the age of online gaming that the next-gen consoles seem to be focused on to bring to gamers we will be able to play games online with players from around the world. However, what about the players back at home? What about being able to play a 2 player game with your friend or brother or sister?

What ever happen to games like Ninja Turtles 2,3, turtles in time, Streets of Rage, Double Dragon and Battle Toads? The kind of games where you and a friend weren't restricted to being able to play together in just multiplayer modes.

Alucard1515

05-21-2005, 12:15 PM

Again? Nintendo beat out MS easily this generation and I'm pretty sure they posted the highest net gain of the three major companies.
No they didn't. Unless you're counting the GBA, Nintendo lagged way behind Microsoft and Sony as far as units sold. In Japan, that was different, but in the US, the Gamecube was in last place.

Vava2109

05-21-2005, 12:16 PM

Twas on a different board(Braxtan films) and someone was ACCUALLY stating that they were going to buy a 360!! Their crazy!...yeah! Unless someone here is going to, then i take that last statement back...

Alucard1515

05-21-2005, 12:17 PM

Let the retarded console flame wars begin!!!

the shining

05-21-2005, 12:20 PM

I agree with hiltz. lots of the zelda, mario, metroid, whatever games are going to be so cool. But, even though I'm not to partial to the new (rumored $600) system I'd still like to try out some of the new final fantasy games.

Ali Sama

05-21-2005, 12:22 PM

i am getting a ps3 and revoloution. not bothering with xbox

Ali Sama

05-21-2005, 12:23 PM

No they didn't. Unless you're counting the GBA, Nintendo lagged way behind Microsoft and Sony as far as units sold. In Japan, that was different, but in the US, the Gamecube was in last place.
yeah. but I still love my gamecube. good games.

Hiltz

05-21-2005, 01:31 PM

If anyone watched the E3 video clip interviews you may have noticed that Nintendo representatives like that Reggie guy seemed to give vague information and dodged some questions when he was asked by the G4 interviewer guy.

For instance, The G4 interviewer asked Reggie that many people think of Nintendo as the "kiddie console" because of all the child-like games it has compared to the other consoles. Although, Nintendo is constantly reminding us that their goal is to have games available for everyone.

I believe that what Nintendo is also trying to do is to bring games to the hardcore gamers but that is where their main problem occurs because that is where Sony and Microsoft have excelled in. Nintendo seems to be too focused on getting the attention of casual gamers and non-gamers more so than the hardcore gamer which is why the hardcore gamer prefers Xbox and PlayStation 2.

Reggie simply replied that the GameCube does have mature titles but I think he contradicted himself when he failed to give examples of less than a handful of mature titles. There are mature titles just not enough.

bottom line: PS2 and Xbox seem to serve the main course to hardcore/casual gamers while Nintendo gets the left overs.

Alucard1515

05-21-2005, 01:52 PM

yeah. but I still love my gamecube. good games.
Okay? I never said a bad thing about the Gamecube, just that it was not as big a hit as people are making it out to be. I LOVE the Gamecube, it was the first current gen system I got, and the only one I had for almost a year. It's in a bit of a slump right now, but good games are still coming out.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is that there are some mature games but just not enough to clear Nintendo's reputation of having immature games for lack of a better word. For the most part it doesn't even matter if Nintendo has so many "immature games" as long as they are good and people enjoy playing them.
Ha, that's completely ridiculous.
It is certainly for lack of a better term, because you've done what most people do and mistake "mature" with the actual meaning of mature. M rated games are only mature in the sense that they have violence, sex, or cussing in them, it has nothing to do with the maturity level of the game itself. In fact, I'd argue that many of those games are immature. Games that glofiy violence and/or sex for absolutely no good reason aren't mature by that definition, they're not sophisticated. They're simply made to titilate. I don't really object to calling those games mature as long as we keep in mind what it really means, and if you are calling any game that isn't filled with blood and guts and titties all around immature, then that's just silly.

I'm not saying those things automatically make a game immature, I'm only talking about games like BMX XXX, or other games that are obviously just trying to appeal to baser instincts. And just because a game is appropriate for all audiences does not make it "immature".

Hiltz

05-21-2005, 02:02 PM

I should have elaborated more on that. I couldn't think of the more appropriate word to describe the obvious difference between PS2 -Xbox and GameCube games by using the word "mature". I should have said the lacking of specific genre titles to be more specific.

I meant like the lacking titles of shooters and action adventure games. Games that are similar to Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid, and Halo. There's no need to give me example of gamecube titles of these genres because I am well aware of them. What I mean by GTA and MGS is that the have a likable and heavy hardcore-like appeal to them and that is what I don't see with GameCube.

Eolatria

05-21-2005, 02:43 PM

Okay, I have a question here: how meny GHz is a TeraFlop? I know what "Tera" means, but not the "Flop" part.
I vote for the PS3 for now, but I join the "how's the Revolution" club.

Shou

05-21-2005, 02:46 PM

I think gamecube could have done WAY better if nintendo got their act together and released more games hardcore gamers want. Like a new mario game, not several crappy games featuring mario, but a real mario game. Sunshine was a flop, they should have worked hard and frantic at getting out a better one as soon as they could. They should have put more resources into their zelda games and gotten them out sooner instead of later. Miyamoto is only one man, stop making him create countless amounts of quick-sale crap and let him concentrate on the system selling games.

It still doesnt seem nintendo gets it and they seem more convinced than ever that the future is in party games. So Im skeptical of revolution, they will have a couple good nintendo games Im sure, but a couple is still just a couple. They are always asked why they dont do more major games like they used to, they just avoid the question by playing their one and only zelda card.

Okay, I have a question here: how meny GHz is a TeraFlop? I know what "Tera" means, but not the "Flop" part.
theyre not related to eachother

Hiltz

05-21-2005, 04:11 PM

To state the obvious, Nintendo is fixated on their successful franchise characters. The characters that are fortunete enough to be featured in high quality games are the ones that sell and become popular.

I agree with ya, Shou. It seems that Nintendo tries to apply their more famous characters like Mario and incorporate him into almost any type of genre imaginable. There's mario party, mario dance revolution, mario paint, mario kart, mario platformers, smash brothers, mario golf, mario tennis, mario baseball, and mario soccer and the list goes on. Mario is a fantastic franchise character but there is such a thing as overdoing it.

Krieock

05-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Shou, did you see the preview on the E3 coverage of a GTA-ish old western-based game Rockstar is making for PS3?? I only saw a tiny bit, but with Rockstar behind the wheel, and their previous experience with western (Red Dead was a badass game) I think we can get our hopes high.
I voted PS3 simply because Playstation always has my favourite games, and the PS3's hardware is the best in the next gen consoles (don't say Nintendo's will be possibly be better - that tiny thing wont have 2tflops processing power or a 550mb* Reality Synthesizer video card.) While I do appreciate Zelda, Metroid, and Halo... I'm a big rpg fan, and I prefer the playstation rpgs.

Kwiix

05-21-2005, 06:36 PM

It's way too early to pick the system that will "win" but from what I saw at E3 PS3 is looking better than the other two. To be fair Sony seemed to show more of what they're going to do so you have to wait and see.

Sony knows what they're doing. I don't know if I can say that about the big N and MS. We all win if they can give Sony a run for their money and that's what will most likely happen.

hezzart

05-21-2005, 06:39 PM

a gta on ps3 makes me pee my pants in excitement. I dont even care that it hasnt even been announced, theres no possible way they could make a gta on something like the ps3 that will be anything but amazing

Actually there is a GTA coming for the release of the PS3. Its workname is GTA next. Goody goody :3

edit, woops that might not be true

CuriousJoe8

05-21-2005, 07:57 PM

i chose revolution for a few reasons:
1. i've always appreciated the thought and time put into nintendo-developed games
2. in my opinion, nintendos games have always been the most inovative.
3. like always, it's probably very, very durable.
4. finally, zelda rules.

Kwiix

05-21-2005, 08:19 PM

I like the fact that you'll be able to download any of the old Nintendo games and play them on the Revolution. I also think it's a good thing that Nintendo will have free online play for all of their first party games. Those are the best games, IMO.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 01:47 AM

What's up with PlayStation 3?

Do they have an online gaming plan and have they said whether or not it will be free? I don't remember hearing much about it.

PS3 will be a solid system just like the PS2. I'll stake my life on it.

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-22-2005, 04:05 AM

They have an online network similar to xbox live, I don't think they said anything about price yet.

Cian

05-22-2005, 08:02 AM

A PS3 for me pleeze.

TheSorrow

05-22-2005, 08:06 AM

I vote for PS3. Wow, Almost all members vote PS3. hehe.

Cian

05-22-2005, 08:09 AM

Why not??? The PS3 is gunna kick ass.......hopefully.

the shining

05-22-2005, 08:35 AM

Sony knows what they're doing. I don't know if I can say that about the big N and MS. We all win if they can give Sony a run for their money and that's what will most likely happen.

No, I think Nintendo and Sony are the same way. they've been out there the longest and have the most experience. it's Microsoft that needs to get their act together. while all other systems are at least trying some new innovative stuff, these guys are stickin' to the same stuff. but you're right it's still too early to tell.

Alucard1515

05-22-2005, 11:17 AM

No, I think Nintendo and Sony are the same way. they've been out there the longest and have the most experience. it's Microsoft that needs to get their act together. while all other systems are at least trying some new innovative stuff, these guys are stickin' to the same stuff. but you're right it's still too early to tell.

Look, XBox was not my favorite console, it's just that people bash it so much, and I try to defend it's good points, that it probably comes off that way. They stick to the same stuff unlike the other two? GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas... Devil May Cry 1, 2, 3, etc. Metal Gear Solid 2, 3... etc, etc, etc. I shouldn't even have to mention Nintendo, because almost all of their popular franchises are over 20 years old.

And yes, I think it's way too early to tell anything. All you got at E3 were specs (which everyone only NOW seems to think matter now that the PS3 is more powerful than the XBOX360) and some game footage. I think the PS3 had some great games that were shown, and I think the XBOX did also. I'm not going to make snap judgments based on a handful of games, especially since Nintendo hasn't shown anything at all yet.

People seem to forget that Nintendo AND Sega were both at the top, and years of experience, but were both blown away when Sony released it's Playstation, so that doesn't mean it's impossible for someone else to do the same.

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-22-2005, 11:22 AM

My main problem with the 360 is it seems to offer nothing new to gaming, and just seems to think that just making a more powerful xbox is all they need, while the others are basically doing everything xbox did and doing more. Basically it just looks like a less powerful ps3 with less third party support. Considering they're going to be releasing it in about 6 months, I don't see them doing any major overhauls. It just doesn't seem to offer anything special.

That's what I'm making my judgement on, not just some random game footage.

Shou

05-22-2005, 11:43 AM

Do they have an online gaming plan and have they said whether or not it will be free? I don't remember hearing much about it.
It has 3 ethernet ports on the back of the console, so its safe to say they are going to pursue it just as hard as the others.

Alucard1515

05-22-2005, 11:49 AM

My main problem with the 360 is it seems to offer nothing new to gaming, and just seems to think that just making a more powerful xbox is all they need, while the others are basically doing everything xbox did and doint more.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see how that's any different from the PS3. What are these groundbreaking new features coming from Sony?

Nintendo is the only one that is really making any big claims to be trying something new, but they're not going to actually tell anyone what that is until much later.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 12:02 PM

Well, we do have to keep in mind that all of the consoles aren't in their final forms so their current specs are basically irrelevent. However, each company has basically said that their next-gen consoles will be (a number) approxiametly be that much powerful than their current consoles.

Yeah, from what we do know Nintendo is doing something totally different in the way of offering an easy interface and to play games from the older home consoles.

Like PS3 and Xbox 360, Nintendo is offering wireless controllers, online play, play dvds, backward compatibilty, and a sleeker console design. Revolution looks like it will favor innovation over raw power.

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-22-2005, 12:04 PM

OniCloud

05-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see how that's any different from the PS3. What are these groundbreaking new features coming from Sony?

Nintendo is the only one that is really making any big claims to be trying something new, but they're not going to actually tell anyone what that is until much later.

Now that I think about it all I've heard from PS3 is that it'll be backwords compatable and that the graphics have been suped up to a new level.

I mean the graphics and the games themselves shown at the E3 looked awesome but what new features does the PS3 itself hold instore for us? Are the controllers gonna be any different this time around? And is MGS4 for the PS3? Because if so the graphics look the same as the 2nd and 3rd.

I heard this from a friend but he told me that the revolution is supposed to have the ability where you can download any old nintendo game and play it from your revolution(I'm sure that's gonna cost money to download any)

Also screw bill gates, instead of helping sick children he just makes a console no one seems to like.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 12:13 PM

Only time will tell.

Xbox 360 = A more powerful Xbox + wireless controllers. Want to pay to play online? Go with Xbox Live.

PS3 = Everything like the PS2 but supposedly much better + wireless controllers. In general, like the PS2 games then you'll most likely expect the same successful game titles that helped make PS2 a success. Possibily will offer different colors for console.

Revolution = An unconfirmed destiny.

Revolution will be like Gamecube in the way that it can play its games but Revolution will offer possible free online play as well as some kind of unique wireless controllers and possibly will play dvds. Also,Offering the feature to play old games from Nintendo's old consoles and have an easy interface. Revolution's games are still questionable in how they will look in the way of graphics and if they will be able to get some goood third party support.Possibily will offer different colors for console.

Obviously, Nintendo is making the most noticable changes.

OniCloud

05-22-2005, 12:17 PM

Only time will tell.

So anyone know the date due for these to come out?

I know Xbox is due this year, but all I know for Sony and nintendo is that it will come out around 2006.

... how much are these consoles gonna cost alone? As well as the games? :confused: :confused: :confused: I'm gonna have to start saving up...

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-22-2005, 12:22 PM

Also screw bill gates, instead of helping sick children he just makes a console no one seems to like.

What the **** is wrong with you? That's possibly one of the most insane things I've read. Where the hell do sick kids come in? I mean, I dislike the 360, but for real reasons. Also, Bill Gates does help out sick kids, he gives massive amounts of money to charity.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 12:23 PM

They said that they will most likely give more information later this year and next year and the most during the next E3 but other than that we have no specific date other than 2006. Sony and Nintendo will probably want to launch their consoles near a holiday but then again that may be too late in the year.

OniCloud

05-22-2005, 12:40 PM

What the **** is wrong with you? That's possibly one of the most insane things I've read. Where the hell do sick kids come in? I mean, I dislike the 360, but for real reasons. Also, Bill Gates does help out sick kids, he gives massive amounts of money to charity.

Didn't know he gave to charity oh well, I still dun like the rich basturd.

Read the new issue to time magazine. Has lots of crap on the Xbox, and also is kinda where I get off on hating bill.

Shou

05-22-2005, 01:12 PM

Also, Bill Gates does help out sick kids, he gives massive amounts of money to charity.
hes actually the most charitable man on earth by a large amount according to Forbes. Hes donated over 28 billion, 2nd place is just 6 billion. Some of the most greedy families are the Daltons and the Trumps who give a negligible amount of their money to charities. Most rich people donate to pompous art museums, atleast gates aggressively tries to fix the screwed up education system and helps diseases in africa.

hezzart

05-22-2005, 01:55 PM

...tries to fix the screwed up education system and helps diseases in africa.

Helps AGAINST diseases I hope :D

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 02:09 PM

and gives Xboxes to all third world countries.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 02:10 PM

Ps3 is going to be something I'll be interested in.

Alucard1515

05-22-2005, 05:01 PM

Sony isn't really doing anything incredible except with graphics, and there they're just mindblowing, but they offer everything that the 360 offers, but better and with way more third party support. Also according to developers, the 360 is the hardest to develop for, so that gives less insentive to make games for it.
So a crappier ps3 that costs as much or more, isn't really a good option. Espically since it doesn't seem to have the game support.
Okay, so you had no point. You're complaining about the XBox360 for not doing anything new, when neither is the PS3. They're both just improving on what worked for them before. And I think it's funny how some of your reasons for liking the PS3 describes exactly the situation in the current generation in reverse. The XBox is easier to develop for than that PS2, and the graphics are much better on the XBox.

The graphics look amazing on both. Look up Gears of War and tell me that the XBox360 does not have amazing graphics.

I don't care if you like Sony more than Microsoft and think you're going to prefer the PS3, that's fine, but everyone's talking about the XBox360 like it's junk, when it has plenty going for it.

Aires

05-22-2005, 05:11 PM

There was nothing solid to decide upon here. Sorry I wont vote on faith that a system will rock. I fairly certain that there will be good game on all three systems and that what counts right?

Given the trend that was shown during the current generation, I would propaply save for the ps3 due to the fact i know im going to get my 300 to 500 dollars worth from it by the library of games thats going to follow.

The Xbox is not a bad system and they are pretty much on the same level as Nintendo on my opinion. There games look great and seem fun to play, but they both had a small library. SO that is another thing you have to consider. Im pretty sure the the 360 will be a great system so i would hold off calling it a peice of suckage.

Sorry had to put that in perspective to the repsective fanboys of the community

Not voting until i have it in my hands[new consoles]

moof

05-22-2005, 05:16 PM

Also according to developers, the 360 is the hardest to develop for, so that gives less insentive to make games for it.

That's nonsense. Sony hasn't even released build models of the PS3 for developers to work with, only spec sheets... while the X-Box360 has been in the hands of developers for some months.
So noone even knows how hard or easy it will be to develope for PS3.
However, I do know that the money figures for production costs are basically the same for both consoles right now, meaning that developers expect it will be about the same amount of work to develope for either. So we'll see, but don't pull facts out of your ass.

Kwiix

05-22-2005, 07:08 PM

The thing about these console "war" threads is that everyone seems to pick a side and then bash the others. Even my post might have sounded like that.

By no means will the 360 and Revolution suck. These machines will be powerful. Both of them have things that make them better than the others. XBOX Live is the best online service around, right? Nintendo always comes out with the best first party games (you can't go wrong with Zelda, Mario and Metroid). Whichever system you pick you'll have hours of fun with. I saw things at E3 for all of them that made me say, "Damn, that's nice."

When I said that I could see that Sony knew what it was doing it was based on the videos I saw and what I saw at E3. See this video if you have a fast connection: http://www.bogmon.com/news/133/ARTICLE/1252/2006-05-17.html

To me it looks like Sony knows what they want and it looks like they'll get there. MS seems to be a company that waits for others to something then they try to beat them at it. Is that accurate? I don't know, I'm no expert, but that's what it always looked like to me. Beat them or buy them. Nothing wrong with that if they put quality products out on the market. And Nintendo? They try hard to do new things but sometimes they're misses. The other thing that bugs me is how they brag about how they want to make games for every type of person. I saw a video where they said they make games even for 12 year old girls. It bugs me because I'm not a 12 year old girl. I'm selfish. But with that said, it's nice that there is a system for younger kids. Nintendo sees that they can sell systems to those parents.

So which one will I buy? PS3...and most likely the Revolutions. My brother will buy the XBOX 360. That's a lot of money to spend but I'm lucky to be able to do it. Again, whichever system you get you'll be getting a powerful system and shouldn't feel bad for your choice. Get it for the games you'll play and enjoy.

Hiltz

05-22-2005, 07:59 PM

One thing is for sure, start saving up your money.

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-23-2005, 05:16 AM

I wouldn't say I have no point, I would say I have the exact point I listed, if you don't think that's an issue, then that's cool, but I do consider it an issue.

And Kodiak, I've read repeated articles with developers talking about how much easier it is to develop for the ps3 then the ps2 or anything. I could try and find some, but just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean I was making things up.

Manga Sims

05-23-2005, 08:19 AM

It seems that Nintendo tries to apply their more famous characters like Mario and incorporate him into almost any type of genre imaginable.

They do very often.

They should put him in a FPS. :) That would be funny.

I voted for the 360.

I am a Mircrosoft fan at heart, though the PS3 is looking mighty stunning, thus far.

I was like the only one who voted the 360, but hell, its not like we can only get one. :)

I tend to get all consoles the first day (or within that week) of release.

Best wishes to all. :) (consoles that is :) )

meerkat

05-23-2005, 08:38 AM

Ill put my money on the PS 3 for now, wasnt there a console going to come out called ''Phantom?'' It even was showcased in Last Years E3, anyone know what the hell happened to that thing?

Hiltz

05-23-2005, 09:16 AM

You mean the Infinium Lab's Phantom broadband monthy charged video game on-demand service?

They weren't at E3 from what I heard. Their project isn't cancelled but they need to raise more money in order to start the launch of Phantom.

Oceans Andrew

05-23-2005, 09:17 AM

Ill put my money on the PS 3 for now, wasnt there a console going to come out called ''Phantom?'' It even was showcased in Last Years E3, anyone know what the hell happened to that thing?

the phantom was a long, drawn out joke/swindle.

Imagine if you or I decided we wanted to make our own WTFL33T console that would PWNX0RZ and then we convinced investors to give us millions, and we wasted it all.

that is what the phantom was.

Lexar

05-23-2005, 09:48 AM

Manga Sims

05-23-2005, 10:13 AM

Lexar, I agree. :)

Hiltz

05-23-2005, 01:25 PM

The graphics will no doubt be better but they won't really exceed our expectations.

hezzart

05-23-2005, 02:50 PM

I wouldnt be at all surprised the graphics on the revolutions will be up to par with what we saw on the E3. To be honest I wasn't that impressed by all those prerendered or at least scripted footages. 3 times the gamcube in power should be able to produce those kinds of graphics easily as well. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if it turns out sony made promises (tens of times better than the ps2) that turned out to be at least some sort of extra positive version of the truth, just like the fmv's on the psx turned out not to be actual game shots, and that the level of toy story rendering wasnt actually possible in ps2 games. What we saw on E3, wouldn't be possible on current systems, but it doesn't look like such a big step forward like for example snes - psx or N64 - ps2.

I rather had that feeling with the Xbox360 footages. They seemed like great pc's could produce something simular. But come on, what they showed us on the PS3 was just amazing. Its a huge leap from the current generation. I wouldnt be surprised if the Revolutions specs would turn out better than the 360's. That doesnt say alot though, even though the Gamecube didnt have the best specs I thought Zelda:TWW was one of the best looking games ever.

The Bran Eating Zombie

05-23-2005, 03:06 PM

http://www.igniq.com/2005/05/xbox-360-shun-by-games-developer.html

hezzart

05-23-2005, 03:09 PM

Wow, i dont care for what MS has to say about the PS3... Im just hoping theres a starwars game coming with gigantic space battles :3

FigureFour

05-23-2005, 03:18 PM

And it's Revolution; there's no S.
Do you people read anything anyone else says?

Hiltz

05-23-2005, 05:02 PM

Microsoft is just jealous because Sony won with the current console war despite Xbox having superior performance and better online service.

the shining

05-23-2005, 05:09 PM

the only reason that microsoft has been doing so good is because it has an ass-load of money and the newest software engine. the X-box came out after every other system so it had more time to get everything together.

Manga Sims

05-23-2005, 06:13 PM

Microsoft is just jealous because Sony won with the current console war

Just out of curiosity, what determines who wins the console wars?

Money?

Performance?

What the Players think?

????????

moof

05-23-2005, 06:29 PM

http://www.igniq.com/2005/05/xbox-360-shun-by-games-developer.html

It's no wonder game developers fall every other day. They like to put their money into specsheets and the glamour surrounding it.

But then again, the fact that the market has so much faith in Sony has been the main reason they survive at the top of a 3 console market. A company dedicating themselves to that faith isn't going to falter them.

I don't know. I remain skeptical, I remember the PS2 launch and its glamour, and it did not live up to what I thought it would be.

At least you know what you're getting with x-box and nintendo.

moof

05-23-2005, 06:30 PM

Just out of curiosity, what determines who wins the console wars?

money, and who's around 5 years later.

Manga Sims

05-23-2005, 06:43 PM

Good answer, good answer.
http://entwood.org/pix/Icons/animaniac.gif

Yeef

05-23-2005, 07:19 PM

Market Share.

It all comes down to market share.

Hiltz

05-23-2005, 07:51 PM

That's true.

OniCloud

05-23-2005, 07:53 PM

When will they make virtual reality consoles :/

normal life is boring :/

Yeef

05-23-2005, 08:55 PM

Maybe YOURS is.

COmpletely immersive virtual reality won't be around for a long time for various reasons. Besides, making a game in virtual reality doesn't mean it won't suck.

Alucard1515

05-23-2005, 09:06 PM

I wouldn't say I have no point, I would say I have the exact point I listed, if you don't think that's an issue, then that's cool, but I do consider it an issue.
What I meant was that you didn't really give me anything defending your point. You said that the XBox360 was just a more powerful version of the XBox, but then you admitted that the PS3 was doing the same thing. And if you didn't admit that, then you just didn't really tell me anything that it was doing that was really groundbreaking.

So, I ask again, not to be a smart ass, but because I honestly didn't hear any of this about the PS3, what is so new and different about it besides the pretty, new graphics?

I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But it makes no sense to criticize one company for doing it and not another.

FigureFour

05-23-2005, 10:04 PM

Most consoles sold, I'd assume.

oringe

05-23-2005, 10:54 PM

Microsoft is just jealous because Sony won with the current console war

i dont think microsoft had any thoughts that they would win this generation. theyve said a bunch of times that teh xbox was planned to be a big loss and its only purpose was to get its foot in the door and lay a foundation.

and bran, can you show some links where it shows that the PS3 is easier to program on the the 360, because i havent heard anything about that. its probably better to program on than the PS2, but the PS2 was a programmers hell, so thats not saying much.

Hiltz

05-23-2005, 11:01 PM

I was just being sarcastic because Microsoft thinks so highly of themselves. :D

oringe

05-23-2005, 11:18 PM

oh ok, i hoped so

Manga Sims

05-24-2005, 08:34 AM

So, I ask again, not to be a smart ass, but because I honestly didn't hear any of this about the PS3, what is so new and different about it besides the pretty, new graphics?

I thought about that too.

Xbox 360 has wireless, basically the same ol' Xbox Live (with a few new features), and pretty graphics....

PS3 has (I think) has wireless, and pretty graphics.....

I'm not totally impressed by graphics now of days, but what else can a console offer?

Xbox 360 (from what I've heard about it so far), to me, is a dissapointment.

PS3 (from what I've heard about it so far), to me, is not innovating enough.

I guess I'm relying on Nintendo's Revolution to show me something grand. But then again, I ask myself, what more can a console offer?

Hiltz

05-24-2005, 09:43 AM

Online gaming looks like it will just be focused on more.

Two of the most important factors with online gaming are how good will the games be and is it free to play or do you have to pay?

Whatever Nintendo's innovation is it will really be the only thing new to look forward to.

Alucard1515

05-24-2005, 06:05 PM

Actually, XBox Live looks to be adding a LOT more than the old version. Of course, since I don't have broadband and all of the companies decided to pretty much ignore me altogether in that regard, that really doens't affect my decision to buy either one of them.

Onwakariudo

05-24-2005, 06:14 PM

i went with sony on this one, not only because they seem to have the most powerful system and the most thirdparty support, but they are also supporting so many formats, and their nextgen games will be using blue ray discs which can hold up to 50GB (dual-layer) which gives me high hopes for the quality of sony's next gen games. Plus there are rumors of sony adding HD-DVD support.
also...

To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/ (http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#1.4)

koopdi

05-24-2005, 06:46 PM

I just watched some high-res versions of the E3 Nintendo and Sony press conferences. Sony's was impressive. There are rumors of the killzone footage they showed being pre-rendered but that dosen't matter cause some of the stuff the realtime stuff they showed was on par and above that quality. The Nintendo one was very dissapointing. They didn't show any graphics demos at all and had a mock-up of what the revolution might look like. It also sounds like they'll charge for downloading pre-gamecube games but it was really hard to understand that part of the recording. I'm thinking less and less of this big suprise that nintendo has. I suggest bittorrenting at least the sony one even if you're on dialup. Well, maybe not dialup. I guess I'll check out the xbox one next.

Also, from what I've heard, the PS3 will have built in wifi and the ability to add a hard drive while the X360 will have a built (but removable and upgradeable) in hard drive and the option to add wifi.

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oringe

05-24-2005, 06:58 PM

the xbox hard drive is removable and upgradable

Tanalius

05-24-2005, 08:47 PM

To download old games the revolution will need a hard drive wont it? Memory cards cant fit N-64 games.... anyways my vote is for revolution. Sony is a second and I dont like X-box and its 4-5 good not great only good games if you include tetris online. 360 will be no diffrent Sony and Microsoft are only beefing up power. Games are games and we need new ways to play and nintendo never lets us down.

Shou

05-24-2005, 08:58 PM

no, it has 512mbs of flash memory or something thats also upgradable, which is like what the sega saturn had. 512mbs should be plenty for more snes games than you can remember since they arent even a mb in size, with a few exceptions. N64 games arent that big either, mario 64 is only 8mbs

Tanalius

05-24-2005, 08:59 PM

ohhh well not many details have been released they could still have a hard drive.... maybe. ;-;

Shou

05-24-2005, 09:07 PM

the whole system is about the size of a hdd, theres no room for one unless they use a microdrive, which would bump up the cost by about 200 bucks. Old nintendo games are extremely small, 512mbs is more than enough, theres no point in having more for downloading cartridge games

Kwiix

05-24-2005, 09:23 PM

PS3 will be compatible with every format (CD-Rs, DVD-Rs, BluRay, etc...). It will contain Memory Stick and Compact Flash slots so you can view pics and video. They'll make use of webcams not only for game play but for chatting with people across the world. They're going to have a P2P network thing. They're coming out with new uses for their EyeToy. You'll be able to get onto the internet with your PSP through your PS3. It will be HD (2K x 1K). I'm sure I'm leaving out some stuff but you get the idea.

Depends what you want from your console. Some people just want to play games without all the other fluff, but some want all the other entertainment features. I don't mind all the extra stuff if they do it right.

I agree that Xbox 360 is probably the only system that looks close to complete. But, then again, aren't they planning on releasing it later this year? They NEED to be almost there. Sony did a lot of talking, something they always do, so you just have to sit back and wait. Nintendo really wasn't ready to show much when it came to the Revolution. I think they just wanted part of the spotlight. Until they show the controller--something that people want to see more than the console itself--we wont know what makes the Revolution so revolutionary.

That's how I see it anyhow... :)

Negafen

05-24-2005, 09:50 PM

The Revolution features slots for extra memory. It comes with 512mb. I don't remember which press release I read that in however...

Hiltz

05-24-2005, 09:54 PM

Nintendo wasn't ready for E3 but they had to show something in order to give their competitors something to be afraid, to show some progress to the fans, and for Nintendo to display its business operations.

I think Xbox 360 is supposedly set for a November 2005 release date so it can be just in time for the holidays. Wouldn't be surprised it if were to be delayed though.

When it comes to a new console video games come first then any extra features or add-on bs.

Shou

05-24-2005, 10:07 PM

nintendo said they already have everything finished, but they arent going to show it yet because they said their idea will be stolen like analog and the rumble pack. I'll give them the rumble pack since it was a pretty stealable feature, but analog was a common sense thing that sega already had plans for. They also said something insane like the wavebird being the first wireless controller which was then stolen by microsoft and sony for their next consoles.

But its ironic that nintendo says sony stole their ideas for analog/vibration and then they go around and steal sonys idea for dual analog and pressure sensitive buttons (atleast every rumor points to pressure sensitive crap on the revolution controller)

Hiltz

05-24-2005, 10:43 PM

It's a Coke and Pepsi situation. :unibrow:

Yeef

05-24-2005, 11:33 PM

I'll give them the rumble pack since it was a pretty stealable feature, but analog was a common sense thing that sega already had plans for.Sega Saturn HAD an analog controller quite a while before N64 was released. It came packed with NiGHTS, if I remember correctly.

Lexar

05-25-2005, 03:22 AM

The innovation of the N64 wasn't exactly the analog controller, but how it was implemented in the gameplay. To this day it's hard to imagine a game that controls as flawlessly as mario 64. The analog controller combined with back then, 'real' 3D gameplay was pretty new and exciting.

Another innovation (at least for consoles) was that the N64 featured (a very crude and basic) anti aliasing in some games.

FigureFour

05-25-2005, 08:15 AM

But its ironic that nintendo says sony stole their ideas for analog/vibration and then they go around and steal sonys idea for dual analog and pressure sensitive buttons (atleast every rumor points to pressure sensitive crap on the revolution controller)
I do believe the L and R buttons on the Gamecube are allready pressure sensitive.

Manga Sims

05-25-2005, 09:43 AM

I do believe the L and R buttons on the Gamecube are allready pressure sensitive.

You believe correctly. They Are pressure sensitive.

Hiltz

05-25-2005, 09:51 AM

You push down on them don't you? Doesn't that make them pressure sensative?

Wasn't N64 also the first home console to introduce and feature 4 controller ports?

Shou

05-25-2005, 12:29 PM

FigureFour

05-25-2005, 12:37 PM

Interesting. Someone should look up what kind of buttons Street Fighter used.

The original Street Fighter arcade machine is the earliest game I know of to use some sort of pressure sensitivity.

Lexar

05-26-2005, 05:58 AM

Yes the N64 had 4 controller plugs, but thats not really new, you could already play with 4 people on the old gameboy. It's more like a built in multitap, so not really innovative, but pretty cool nonetheless.

Also an innovation that is closely related to the analog joystick, is the first true 3d platform games. A whole new playing style succesfully reinvented. Nintendo had invented the original idea of platformgames with donkey kong, so I guess it's kinda meant to be they were the ones to really succeed in making the transition to 3d platform games.

The N64 also had smoothed out textures which was new for consoles. The textures in psx and saturn 3d games are blocky. Now as it turned out, most textures looked washed out and pale because of this smoothing, but in some games it turned out great.

the shining

05-26-2005, 02:01 PM

those arent actually pressure sensitive, they just have 2 digital "clicks", if they were pressure sensitive they would be like a wacom tablet. Dreamcast shoulder buttons are the closest since they were analog, but analog and pressure sensitive buttons still use different technology

well if you notice on several games like star fox and, um, some others, then if you just press it a the L and R buttons a little ways, then the ship will roll to the amount that you press it. but if you click it, then it spins. it is pressure sensitive but just not to a large degree.

ArtInBlooD

05-30-2005, 10:59 AM

PS3, 1% human brain power, Nintendo is mostly for teens and younger, I personally haven't played on a Nintendo Console for years since the Super Nintendo, because of the games they have been coming out with, no matter what PC gaming will always be KING of gaming, but console gaming will always be KING of multi player with your buddies with a beer and chips at home.

Agent Cryrid

05-30-2005, 11:05 AM

I still don't think there is enough information on any of the systems to tell yet. XBox 360 is just too bland no matter how I think about it. Revolution has a lot of potential for great games, but it is still too much of a mystery at the moment. And PS3 did an awesome job of showing us what HD cutscenes will look like in high budget games, but didn't offer too much footage on actual games yet.
However, currently I'm leaning towards the PS3. They may just have been movies, but my God were they impressive.

FigureFour

05-30-2005, 11:18 AM

If you do a little reserch, you will realise that the whole "Sony pre rendered those videos" thing was pretty much a lie.

Sony admited that the gameplay videos were not running in real time on the PS3, they were taped.

OF COURSE THEY WERE TAPED! IT'S E3! They taped footage in advance and played it in their presentation, but they have also gone on record saying the MOST of that was taped FROM A PS3, and the stuff that wasn't was rendered based on the PS3's specifications and should still be at least close to what gameplay will look like.

Hiltz

05-30-2005, 02:43 PM

I expect that owning Son'ys PS3 will be taking the secure way out for gamers. You can expect great games to come out and on a reasonable release date too. You'd expect nothing less really. Just another reason to be leaning toward owning a PS3.

As for Nintendo, they make great games but the concern is when will they come out? Going with Nintendo nowadays is like a balancing act. Making risky decision in hope for the good games to come out. The long waiting period is what I think kills the gamers and it's a big problem for Nintendo.
Get more the kind of games that made PS2 and Xbox gamers happy. Nintendo, if you can't beat them (which you can't) then join them. If you plan on making games for everyone than don't ignore the hardcore gamer. Nintendo seriously needs to stop biting their own tongue.

FigureFour

05-30-2005, 10:20 PM

If you plan on making games for everyone than don't ignore the hardcore gamer. Nintendo seriously needs to stop biting their own tongue.
You aren't a hardcore gamer if you don't have fond memories of Zelda, Mario and Metroid.

Seriously.

If you don't play those games, you aren't a gamer. That's it.

Shou

05-30-2005, 11:01 PM

his point was that nintendo has stopped caring about hardcore gamers. They used to come out with a lot of games for that crowd, now they only release 2 zeldas and think thats enough to please the hardcore players. Mario party 4 5 6, mario tennis, mario baseball, mario golf, and all the other crap out there plus everything they make for the handhelds are not hardcore games. I dont think they even care about making a new real mario game anymore. Theyve been saying since mario sunshine that one will come out, but they still havent even started solid development on one.

Hiltz

05-31-2005, 09:04 AM

Thank you Shou.

Nintendo did state that there will definetly be a new Mario game for Revolution but they haven't said if it will be a sequel to Mario Sunshine or if it will be a true sequel to Mario 64. Then there is the Mario 128 which I don't know what system it will be going to.

By the way,I do have fond memories of Mario, Metroid, and Zelda and have the old games as well. I think by that means I am a "hardcore franchise fan". Nintendo needs to change their image but they don't seem like they are going to anytime soon and it is going to hurt the gamers and it is going to hurt Nintendo's next-gen console like it has with GC unless Nintendo proves otherwise.

Xbox and PS2 have the hardcore games and GameCube has little to none. Nintendo says that they want to attract everyone from the non-gamer to the casual gamer and to the hardcore gamer but it really does seem like Nintendo is ignoring that group of gamers which may be one of the reasons why GameCube is in last place and why Xbox and PS2 are at the top and why Nintendo is commonly labeled as a "kiddy console". What Shou said is simply true.

Azmodeus

05-31-2005, 09:11 AM

Ever since Sony came out with Playstation I was immediatly torn from my Nintendo roots and fused to the PS label.

I never looked back until the Game Cube came out. That's the only time I had ever wanted to pee on a console.

F**k Samus. She got pimped out to Mario by Link. I could careless for Metriod games. And if you rate people as gamers just because they've played Metriod, Zelda, or Mario Brothers . . . your excluding people in all the other genre of games.

I think you can be classified as a hardcore gamer if you're glued to your console or PC for at least 8-10 hrs a day.

FigureFour

05-31-2005, 09:41 AM

his point was that nintendo has stopped caring about hardcore gamers.
My point is that I'm a hardcore gamer and Nintendo is giving me exactly what I want from them.

Hiltz

05-31-2005, 10:12 AM

By hardcore I don't mean Nintendo franchise characters. Hell, anything but that. For example, your probably never going to see a game like Gears of War(using it as an example) on a Nintendo console. This would be just one example of the many. I shouldn't have to list any examples because anyone who owns a GameCube knows what I'm talking about.

Here's the problem. I don't mind playing all the good Mario,Zelda, and Metroid games infact that's the one of the reasons why I stick with Nintendo. However, what about the genre of games that I'm missing out on because Nintendo doesn't have any available? The games that you can find on PS2 and Xbox.

There is a solution which is to buy the other consoles but you know what? I simply can't afford it. So I'm one of the gamers who are forced to choose between 1 of the 3 consoles to own.

FigureFour

05-31-2005, 10:36 AM

Yeah, but it's not like there are no mature games for the Gamecube. Resident Evil, Splinter Cell and Eternal Darkness kept my desire for killing in check while still allowing me to get Zelda and Metroid.

Hiltz

05-31-2005, 11:12 AM

Yes, there's games like that but they are lacking on GameCube when compared to the other consoles.

Sev

05-31-2005, 11:14 AM

I have to go with 360 because of what their doing with xbox live. And the different place plates. And because rainbow six 3 lockdown will be on it. I'm still playing Black arrow. I donno, I"ll be getting a PS3 but I'll probably be playing 360 more. As I play the xbox more then the ps2. Mainly because xbox has better fps's for it then ps2 IN MY OPINION. Don't flame me for what I said. The revolution has my interest as well beuase of the downloading of old games. Is that going to be free or what?

tzuge

05-31-2005, 11:26 AM

I'm mostly just impressed by how incredibly powerful the nextgen console hardware is. However, I'm not really all that excited about any of the upcoming consoles... because games really suck these days. Maybe I'm just growing out of video games but the level and duration of enjoyment I get from games these days is no where near what I got in the past.

Hiltz

05-31-2005, 12:27 PM

Nintendo has been asked about the download service of their old games but they haven't really given any direct comments about how they are going to deal with it. Although, from what Nintendo has said it looks like they are interested in allowing consumers to pay for it. Nintendo said they are still thinking about it and haven't decided yet.

If their online gaming is free then it would probably be in their best interest to make aprofit on the download service by charging gamers for it although it's anyone's guess as how they are going to do it. The money they would make from the download service could help make up for the long time decrease of their Revolution console sales which will happen somewhere down the road.

Nintendo realizes that gamers want more than just the typical enhanced graphics in games and that is one of their major reasons for attempting to go for their biggest innovation project with the Revolution. The really important thing is if they have the games to back up their innovation otherwise a console is worthless.

Lexar

06-01-2005, 12:57 PM

FigureFour

06-02-2005, 10:12 AM

Actually gamers dont want more than enhanced graphics in games because the ps3 (and xbox360 perhaps) will probably sell very well. However, it's an effort that more companies should make an advantage of.
This post makes no sense.

Gamers DO want more then enhanced graphics, and the PS3 and Xbox 360 will provide more then just enhanced graphics. Your statement and the arguement used to support it were both completely false.

the shining

06-02-2005, 10:26 AM

yeah. The three main things true gamers want are:

Innovation
Good but simple gameplay
and Graphics/Effects.
just look at Oddworld: Strangers Wrath. It looked great, it was the first game to effectively use 1st and 3rd person modes together, and it is fun and easy to play.

Lexar

06-02-2005, 10:30 AM

PS3 and xbox 360 don't really add anything new to gaming experience except for a better cpu. Analog controls, online play, we've seen it already. So far I haven't seen anything else on these consoles that makes me think 'hey that's something new!'

FigureFour

06-02-2005, 10:51 AM

Seven controlers . . .
And increased processing power allows more then just better graphics. Look at GTA: San Andreas, they were taxing the PS2 to it's limits, and it's not because the graphics were astounding.

Hiltz

06-02-2005, 10:56 AM

Xbox 360 from what is known about it will be providing a better Xbox Live. Both systems will be backward compatable, PS3 with PS2 and PS1
(Xbox 360 being to some degree). Although offering backward compatibility for video games in general isn't something new but it is definetly an advantage to gamers and to the video game companies.

Likewise, Xbox and PS3 are more focused on improved technology over broad innovation like what Nintendo has planned. It seems that both Microsoft and Sony will be relying upon their chosen software developers to provide new experiences in video gaming. What all three consoles seem to have in common is a more fixated goal in online gaming more so than what the current consoles have done.

Lexar

06-02-2005, 10:56 AM

Hiltz

06-02-2005, 11:00 AM

Don't expect too much from the next-gen consoles because it will be a while until we do see a very big and noticable change in the direction of video games and how they are played but this is just the beginning.

FigureFour

06-02-2005, 11:06 AM

oooh 7 controllers! It adds new depth to gameplay!
Exactly, now they can do things they could not do before.

Seriously, who is going to buy 7 controllers and use them often?
Sports gamers. You and your buddies could play the whole team now.

More processing powers, well I have yet to see new ways to play games because so far they look like more of the same.
Of course, you've yet to see a game for these new systems . . .

It would be stupid to think that people won't use that power to improve AI, level design, game play, level of interactivity and all those fun things.

Hiltz

06-02-2005, 11:08 AM

This time around the next-gen consoles may provide more reasonable destructive worlds and environments.

FigureFour

06-02-2005, 11:12 AM

Exactly. Bigger levels, better physics, better AI.
The only reason we haven't really seen that yet is that it's hard to show off in a trailer.

Yeef

06-02-2005, 11:57 AM

oooh 7 controllers! It adds new depth to gameplay! Seriously, who is going to buy 7 controllers and use them often? More processing powers, well I have yet to see new ways to play games because so far they look like more of the same.I'm pretty sure PS3 will be able to use 7 bluetooth devices out of the box; they don't neccessarily have to be controllers. Since, like USB, bluetooth isn't that uncommon on other devices, like computer hardware and cellphones, there are plenty of interesting developers can do with it.

Lexar

06-02-2005, 01:11 PM

I'm not believing it untill I see it. Destructible environments, real liquid physics, that's all great, but I wouldn't get your hopes up too much, since after all playstation has this nasty habit of overhyping their machine.

Besides, physics in-game for example, to have destructible scenery, flowing water, avalanches or other things aren't exactly new, for example even max payne 2 had levels where you had to blast your way through havoc engine powered abjects, like a pile of chairs you had to move away in real time to get to a painkiller. Not to mention half life 2. Painkiller also had some destructible parts of the game like stacked coffins or wooden planks. I'm just saying that it would only be 'bigger, better, more at the same time and faster' than we see now but nothing new. Even entire worlds made of physics supported items wouldn't exactly be what I call 'thinking outside the box'. It would be better, but just simply what we have now on a larger scale.

As for the bluetooth, in itself that's nothing new either. It would only add something new to gameplay if the devices did. But I'm betting they'll just have some keyboards and mouses and maybe headsets or cameras, but once again, that would just be more of the same, but only more refined or convenient. But it wouldn't actually be something new. And if it were used for interaction with other devices, it would really depend on what kind of interaction. It's hard to imagine doing practical with games, since you can't be using several machines at the same time.

Something new, that would be like a rumble pack, adding a real new dimension to gaming, or an eye toy (even though it's annoying to wave about). That is what i would call an innovation. More processing power is a logical and necessary step, but not one that will change that much. Even if you could destroy everything in a game, it has been done before (very crudely because of the lack of physics engines, take for example blast corps on the N64 comes to mind, but even so you get the point) and those games were tedious in my opinion. What new ways to play would you get if water would flow because of a powerfull physics cpu? We have had puzzle games with flowing water already, now it would just be more sophisticated on a technical level. I'm not saying it wouldn't be awesome to have a real time avalanche or a car crash with parts not bugging and dancing around the level, but looking believable, but it wouldn't be adding new things to games that much.

Even today with pretty basic physics support in (mostly) pc games, it's not really adding new ways to play games. Also, keep in mind how incredibly difficult it will be for programmers and probably all sorts of other game devs to build games like that? Game production costs are going up all the time because teams are increasing, so we might only see relatively little games on the future market that really incorporate all the new ways to use the enhanced cpu possibilities.

Shou

06-02-2005, 01:34 PM

its up to the game developers to come up with something new with the power they are given, not the the consoles. There are hundreds of things that havent been done yet because it wasnt possible on current hardware. They could only do certain things with certain types of games, but never combine all the good technology at the same time.

If halflife1 to halflife2 provided such a huge jump in GAMEPLAY thanks to processor power then why are you so convinced that theyve done everything possible already? Todays ai is still very lame. A really advanced and realistic ai would revolutionize gaming completely and make people play games differently.

GTA has only scratched the surface with what it should have. More power will let the developers add more real life things and include more ways to play.

Sev

06-02-2005, 11:02 PM

It would be stupid to think that people won't use that power to improve AI, level design, game play, level of interactivity and all those fun things.

What do you mean by improving them? making them smarter? or making them harder?

Either way I don't think that's really a smart move. I mean what about new gamers? They'll get one of those games and get their asses handed to them and they quit playing, (because they think other games are the same way) which makes him/her stop playing and causes the company to lose money. I'm trying to start a debate/argument/rant yada yada yada yada. You get what I'm saying?

FigureFour

06-02-2005, 11:12 PM

What do you mean by improving them? making them smarter? or making them harder?

Either way I don't think that's really a smart move. I mean what about new gamers? They'll get one of those games and get their asses handed to them and they quit playing, (because they think other games are the same way) which makes him/her stop playing and causes the company to lose money. I'm trying to start a debate/argument/rant yada yada yada yada. You get what I'm saying?
First of all, I'm talking about making them smarter. Making them harder is easy, you just let them cheat. They do it all the time.

And it's a very smart move.
At least SOME games have to be hard.
And every game should have difficulty settings.

There's nothing I hate more then a game that's too easy.

Krieock

06-03-2005, 05:56 AM

I guess you're not a fan of Fable, then, FF?
Questioning the advancements in game technologies is a little foolish. Game developers aren't retards - they know what hard AI does for games: look at DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden. They didn't sell as well as they could have, because they were so very difficult. Just because game developers aren't making all game AI on par with Meat Sims (Perfect Dark reference), that doesn't mean all games in the future will be equivelently hard as DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden.

Shou

06-03-2005, 09:00 PM

this seems like more evidence that nintendo is going further away from the hardcore gamer http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/02/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

games too long? For me games are way too short, I still wait for the day when an rpg comes out that dynamically creates quests and lets you talk to people and do other stuff AFTER beating the damn game.

The long epic games also sell a lot better, the pick up and play games do not. So Im not really sure how making more short games will help the industry if no one is going to buy them. I really dont enjoy the "for fun" games at all, I get no sense of satisfaction when playing them. When I played warioware touched I was left thinking "ok, wtf was the point of that" after beating each level of random stuff.

Sev

06-03-2005, 09:24 PM

First of all, I'm talking about making them smarter. Making them harder is easy, you just let them cheat. They do it all the time.

And it's a very smart move.
At least SOME games have to be hard.
And every game should have difficulty settings.

There's nothing I hate more then a game that's too easy.

I agree with you, I was just saying that they have to consider those new gamers as well. I wish they would make them smarter as well, there's been countless times I would do a terrorist hunt on Rainbow Six 3 black arrow and I would sneak behind terrorist and run circles around them and they would never see me. That's just peer tee dumb. Have you played choas theory? That game has the smartest AI I've seen in a game. Counter Strike comes in at a close second.

games too long? For me games are way too short, I still wait for the day when an rpg comes out that dynamically creates quests and lets you talk to people and do other stuff AFTER beating the damn game.

Three word's. "Star War's Galaxies. (sp?) Theres no end to that game.

"goes off and plays cs"

Shou

06-03-2005, 09:30 PM

I dont mean mmorpgs, I mean single player games where the characters dont ask "a/s/l?" and greet you with "sup." I cant really think of a genre I hate more than mmorpg's

Sev

06-03-2005, 09:47 PM

I got ya, And I agree as well.

Hiltz

06-03-2005, 10:32 PM

I agree that an improvement in smart AI and friendly AI is a very much needed now more than ever.

Even if Nintendo is pushing further away from hardcore gamers I do appriciate their vision to try to take video games in a different direction and give gamer's a different experience because it would sure be nice if someone started it already.

Trial and error seems to be what Nintendo is basically trying to do and it is daring and it is risky because if they do it wrong then they and Revolution gamers alike will pay the price for it.

Hiltz

06-04-2005, 12:27 AM

By the way, it would appear that Nintendo has finally revealed so far a small game list for Revolution and yes, Super Smash Brothers is one of them and better yet it is said to be one of the launch games and is also said to make use of Revolution's wi-fi capabilities for online play!

Other games include Kid Icarus, Legend of Zelda, The Darkness,Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 3, Killing Day, King Kong, Splinter Cell 4, FF: Crystal Chronicles, and Mario Revolution. Keep in mind that the console itself is still in development and so more developers will be attracted to Revolution as well as the other consoles once they can really see what machines are capable of.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615412p1.html (Smash bros)
http://cube.ign.com/articles/621/621865p1.html
(Big N's not so big game list)

bigyellowlegoman

06-04-2005, 02:27 AM

FF Crystal Chronicles??? Why can't we just have a regular FF game like in the good ol' days of the snes?

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 04:55 AM

I don't think there's a game on that list that doesn't look like it could be good.

Edit: A sequal to Kid Icarus? Does that mean I'll get to see Eggplant Wizard again?

bigyellowlegoman

06-04-2005, 05:04 AM

FFour is right, it's a fairly good line-up considering how small it is.
Kid Icarus? WTF is that?

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 06:27 AM

Old NES game. Look it up.

bigyellowlegoman

06-04-2005, 06:42 AM

Nes, a couple of years before my time...
Hopefully what Ninty are saying about the Revolution is true and I'll be able download some of the classics.

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 06:43 AM

What do you mean "Hopefully it's true"?

Do you think Nintendo is lying to us?

bigyellowlegoman

06-04-2005, 06:57 AM

Yup, they're lying to us. Haha, sorry, that's not what I meant. What I meant was I hope this service will be made available to Europe as well as the US and Japan, and that the collection of games is going to be as extensive as I've heard.
I'd love to play the likes of Perfect Dark and Goldeneye again, and man oh man imagine being able to play link to the past again...

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 07:01 AM

I don't see why it wouldn't be available in Europe. You guys have the internet over there right?

bigyellowlegoman

06-04-2005, 07:16 AM

Hm? Internet, eh?
Oh yeah, yeah we do but games companies seem like finding various ways of screwing us over but with the DS Nintendo seemed to be trying to drive home the message that they're making an effort to see that Europe is treated as seriously as the US.
I'll just have to wait and see...

Cian

06-04-2005, 07:52 AM

games companies seem like finding various ways of screwing us over
Its really irritating too, I mean were still waiting for the PSP goddamit!

Hiltz

06-04-2005, 09:43 AM

Nintendo is big on teasing but not on lying. :D

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 11:29 AM

I wouldn't say they are big on teasing either.
Often they don't even mention what they are working on untill it's done. That's hardly a tease, it's a supprise.

Hiltz

06-04-2005, 11:57 AM

Nintendo is the biggest teaser of them all.

They do it for two reasons. Yeah, the first being so that it can still somewhat be a surprise and the second is so that their competitor's don't copy their ideas so it doesn't backfire on Nintendo.

Nintendo has a vast history of avoiding questions, not giving direct answers, answering the question with another question, and dropping vague hints until they feel time is right to announce the news.
Just watch almost any of the E3 video clips for some examples.

They have released information about the downloading of old Nintendo games but they have said that they are keeping other secrets hidden.

When Nintendo first revealed their concept for the Revolution's design it was a big teaser because they didn't give as much information compared to what Xbox 360 and PS3 had released.

When Nintendo released the first and only Mario 128 image they have been asked tons of questions about it but they have not said much about it and leave gamers with the image as a teaser.

The same is what happend prior to the release of Zelda: Wind Waker. The image was a teaser of Link and Ganon and it left gamers interested and wanting more and for a long time no information or images about Wind Waker was released. Although, the game turned out to be completely different from what most gamers expected it to be it was still one of the biggest teasers.

pootermobile

06-04-2005, 03:35 PM

I really dont care, im just gonna watch as the fanboys fight it out, then choose one when I know for sure which is better, and 50 bucks cheaper.

Manga Sims

06-04-2005, 06:22 PM

Pooter. Sounds good. :)

FigureFour

06-04-2005, 10:12 PM

Except I resent you calling me a fanboy and your implication that we are fighting.

You'd know if we were fighting.

bigyellowlegoman

06-05-2005, 03:35 AM

I'll probably end up getting both the Revolution and PS3.
I'll probably get the Rev. first because the PS3 is more likely to have glitches that'll need to be sorted out.
I can't wait to see where the GTA, Metal Gear, Metroid and Legend of Zelda series are taken with these new consoles.

Cian

06-05-2005, 03:37 AM

Why do people think the Revolution looks great??
Its a black rectangle slanted backwards with a blue light in the middle.

the shining

06-05-2005, 06:01 AM

well it's sleek and, umm... it's, uh, Shiny I guess.

I don't know. I don't care how they look as long as their not the size on a car. however the revolutions is pretty much portable except for the AV cords and what not. the other systems are really bulky.

FigureFour

06-05-2005, 06:39 AM

Why do people think the Revolution looks great??
Its a black rectangle slanted backwards with a blue light in the middle.
They all look pretty much the same. Who really cares?

Cian

06-05-2005, 07:32 AM

They all look pretty much the same. Who really cares?Well, a sleek console is easier on the eye, isnt it?

the shining

06-05-2005, 07:48 AM

true.

hezzart

06-05-2005, 09:08 AM

They all look pretty much the same. Who really cares?

The mainstream does, and the mainstream controls the way this industry is going.

Hiltz

06-05-2005, 10:09 AM

The PS3 just looks too freaking big. It's like the size of those old and big-ass all-in-one gray computer machines that can fax,copy, and scan but the problem is they take up more half of your desk space (exaggeration taking a bit too far but you get the point).
Also, it would seem that the PS3 is being called the next "George Foreman grill".

Microsoft did themselves a big favor in greatly reducing the girth of their next-gen console but it still looks ugly in my opinion. Looking back on it the controllers look nice but the console reminds me of a wannabe white home portal with that green light on it. Xbox 360's white color would make it look out-of-place in any room that isn't white or black that would compliment it.

Revolution is a better combination of simplicity and high-tech appearence and many gamers would agree (not everyone though) that it looks better than the other two consoles. It's best advantage is the convience of its size so it can be put anywhere without taking much room at all. Simplicify has shown that it can kick ass.

A console's design and appearance plays a part in attracting consumers but what is more important than how it looks on the outside is how well it performs in the inside. Even more important than that will be the games.

Shou

06-05-2005, 11:31 AM

where the hell did the george forman thing come from anyways? When people first started mentionning it I thought they were on crack, then more people said it so I figured there must be a new goergeforman grill out so I looked it up. None of them even resemble the ps3. Did some popular website come up with that and then everyone hopped the bandwagon?

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-05-2005, 11:46 AM

That's what I assume.

Hiltz

06-05-2005, 12:03 PM

http://www.ps3grill.com/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Hiltz/GRILL.jpg

I couldn't find the original picture with George Foreman on it.

Shou

06-05-2005, 12:20 PM

how does that look like a ps3

Aires

06-05-2005, 12:21 PM

meh

the shining

06-05-2005, 12:50 PM

but honestly, Nintendo has the right idea. by now, lots of people have other consoles cluttering the way. by getting a bulkier one, they might have to sacrifice a game system to fit. the nintendo takes up the least space possible.

Sev

06-05-2005, 01:33 PM

Well, speaking of bulkyiness my xbox fits underneath my entertainment system just snuggly, when folks come over their like where the hell is your xbox? And since I don't use that space, it doesnt take up any space.

Hiltz

06-05-2005, 01:52 PM

It looks like the "grill" because of the the ps3's flap-like appearence.

Of course people it is a far exaggeration.

Izzy/K

06-05-2005, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=

There's nothing I hate more then a game that's too easy.[/QUOTE]

hallelujah 10X

oringe

06-05-2005, 04:16 PM

am i the only one who doesnt even consider what a console looks like when im buying one? and for me, i never understood how people were so crazy about how small the cube was since i was always so frustrated with it because i had to pull it out of my shelf so i could load a game. top loaders are ass. but even then, it wasnt a big enough problem that i didnt buy one because of it. who cares?

Tanalius

06-05-2005, 04:27 PM

http://dodyg.org/content2/binary/1116292002.80721.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Hiltz/GRILL.jpg

I think they look similar enough to be able to make that joke.

Shou

06-05-2005, 05:02 PM

no they dont, can you actually describe the things they have in common? it was a stupid joke that didnt make any sense. It may look like a jumbo version of those slimline scanners when laying down but it has nothing in common with a george foreman grill. Whoever started that could have said it looked like a microwave and the same amount of people would have thought it was funny because its the cool thing to do.

Tanalius

06-05-2005, 05:11 PM

The color, Both Silver with black in the front, and a very similar shape. Also both lay flat like that making them resemble eachother even more. And if the microwave layed flat, was silver and black and had the smae basic shape I guess it would be funny.

Shou

06-05-2005, 05:48 PM

Im pretty sure the grills are white except for the igrill things, the ps3 isnt black in the front (thats reflective silver), millions of things lie flat so I dont see how that matters, the grill is squarish with a dome top while the ps3 is long and eliptical on the side.

They dont look the same, its just people wanting to be funny because someone popular fanboy probably started it.

Tanalius

06-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Looks black and silver to me. Popular fanboy? And only probably? is that your best arguement? I have never heard of any popular fanboys -_-

Vava2109

06-05-2005, 06:19 PM

the front may not be black(Ps3) but it still looks like a GF grill. Stop denying it Shou, or else . . . i got nadda . . . i was never the one to argue with mods, got banned once over a 'sniper beats rocket(FPS)' convers....most idiotic ban ever....

Shou

06-05-2005, 06:20 PM

http://e3.playstation.com/scea/i/h_003_ss_10.jpg

no black. You can tell its reflective in the other picture because its also mirroring the side wall to the left of it.

Hiltz

06-05-2005, 11:35 PM

It's just an exaggerated ( realistically inaccurate) joke of simply mocking the PS3's console design and nothing more. Laugh, Cry, go by a PS3 and flip some burgers you wieners. :D

Don't be so square man, go by a Nintendo Revolution.

Don't go chasing yourself in circles like an Xbox 360.

Okay, those sucked.

Tanalius

06-06-2005, 08:14 AM

That would be cool if the PS3 could cook the bad out of a game like the grill can do with fat and hamburgers.

Hiltz

06-06-2005, 08:18 AM

An innovation in itself. :D

pootermobile

06-07-2005, 01:20 PM

Except I resent you calling me a fanboy and your implication that we are fighting.

You'd know if we were fighting.
har har har, you misunderstand. I wasnt speaking to you specifically, I was addressing the whole stupid thing in general. which leads me to suspect why you took it so seriously. jk jk. :D

Hiltz

06-07-2005, 02:55 PM

Nintendo's NEWS

"Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

Backwards compatibility for GameCube goes beyond just the software. You'll be able to use all controllers (Wave Bird included), memory cards, the Mario Party microphone, the Dance Dance dance pad and even the Donkey Konga konga controller.

The downloads will, as previously announced, be stored in flash memory. You'll be able to store games in the 512 megabytes built into the system, but should this fill up, you can transfer your downloads to an SD memory card and use your computer to manage the files. Iwata didn't elaborate, but did state that copy protection is in place (so don't expect to simply send downloaded game copies to your friends by e-mail)."

http://cube.ign.com/articles/622/622870p1.html

Manga Sims

06-07-2005, 03:21 PM

Nintendo is planning on pay downloads

Is everyone doing this? (Companies that is)

I hope the PS3 isn't.

I know the 360 is.

Now Nintendo?

Tanalius

06-07-2005, 03:59 PM

Swert.

Hiltz

06-07-2005, 04:01 PM

One problem Nintendo faces is that they don't own all the games or something along those lines.This may effect what games (if not all) will be available through the download service.

I'm just guessing but perhaps Sony's PS3 will be able to play PS2 and PS1 games just like how PS2 is able to play PS1 games as long as you already own or rent the game.

Nintendo probably thinks that there is good money to be made on their download service. The money generated from their download service may be able to help make up for the decrease in Revolution sales since it will eventually happen. The Revolution "supposedly" will be backward compatible with GameCube games if you already own/rent the actual game.

Wyrmslayer

06-07-2005, 04:10 PM

Sigh sigh.

So much hate for the PS3 design.

It looks fine people, who cares what it looks like, for all I care it could look hideous, I would just throw a blanket over it and play the games.

I really, really dislike that controller, hope they stick with the PS1/PS2 controller design.

Stick with what works.

Tanalius

06-07-2005, 04:11 PM

Yes the PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 and PS1 Games. I think the revolution will do well. I have talked to alot of X-Box fans in my school and they all plan on getting a Revolution due to the fact you can download nes, snes, and N64 Games the thre best systems ever made :p Nintendo should be able to host any game in there collection for download onto the Revolution (hopefully) And It shouldent be to hard for them to obtain rights to host the classics like contra. And Super Smash Brothers Online is going to be great (My friend told me its coming out so If im wrong dont shoot me)

Wyrmslayer

06-07-2005, 04:15 PM

Lol, your friends are silly.

You can download SNES, NES, PS, and N64 roms lots of places, you just gotta know where to look.

I have like... 100+ SNES games, and all the classic Nintendo games I played when I was like 3.

Tanalius

06-07-2005, 04:17 PM

I dont enjoy ROMs due to using the keyboard to play, The legal status of the issue, And the graphics on my N64 ROMs Are screwed up. I would rather spend some cash and own the classics, who knows they may become worth alot if I keep them in a good condition.

Lexar

06-07-2005, 05:17 PM

N64 emulation and to some degree, NES emulation as well, is severely lacking. ZSNES is just pretty much the best emulator ever (seriously the only program I have ever used extensively that never ever crashed or bugged on me) , so compared to that, of course other systems will look bad. No but seriously the only decent N64 emulator, project 64 is largely depending on plug ins that are hard to come by and are mostly beta if not alpha builds. And you're still confined to your pc, instead of sitting on the cough with your pals and playing multiplayer mario kart.

Though I did get the snes contra co-op to work over the internet with zsnes, which is pretty cool, but it lagged too much.

Hiltz

06-07-2005, 07:27 PM

I don't see a problem with Nintendo making available their first party games but its the others that may cause a problem to obtain. Still, if you own a working nes,snes, or n64 then there isn't much point in paying for the games you already own.

It would however provide a great opportunity to play all the other old games you never were able to play before or wanted to play again.

Yes, Nintendo did announce that they are going to have a new Super Smash Brothers game and it is said to be playable online. It is supposed to be one of the confirmed launch games for the release of the Revolution. That's about all that is currently known about it. You can also expect a new Zelda, Metroid, Final Fantasy:CC, Donkey Kong , and Mario game as well.

the shining

06-08-2005, 06:03 AM

But what new characters will they have for SSB. they've used up so many origional nintendo characters already.

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-08-2005, 06:05 AM

I vote Solid Snake.

Wyrmslayer

06-08-2005, 08:01 AM

But what new characters will they have for SSB. they've used up so many origional nintendo charactors characters already.

Theyll slowly start adding Nintendo game Side Kicks:

Diddy Kong, for instance, probably more pokemon..

By SSB43 They will have 200 choosable Pokemon, and will have made 23 Bad games just to add characters.

Numbers may vary.

Hiltz

06-08-2005, 11:21 AM

Hehe.

Here are a few off the top of my head.

Wario
Waluigi
King Dedede (Kirby)
Diddy Kong *
Captain Olimar (Pikmin)
Pit (Kid Icarus)
(Any) Mech (Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge)

Possibly by looking at the Trophy list in Smash Bros- Melee may drop a hint in possible new characters.

Vava2109

06-08-2005, 11:26 AM

you mean...the Ray model from Custom robo?!awesome!....<_<...doubt that

Hiltz

06-08-2005, 11:31 AM

Ray model? Custom Robo?

I've never played the game.

Yeef

06-08-2005, 01:01 PM

WaluigiNo.

The sooner Waluigi disappears from Nintendo games the sooner I'll start playing them again. Hopefully in the future he'll be wiped from all memory somehow.

Hiltz

06-08-2005, 01:04 PM

Your right.

The only thing I enjoy about having pokemon in the game is having the pleasure to beat them up.

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-08-2005, 01:11 PM

The pokemon in SSB are awesome.

Tanalius

06-08-2005, 01:29 PM

Long live jigglypuff!

Lexar

06-08-2005, 03:04 PM

Maybe some advance wars characters could be used. Or cute puppies from nintendogs.

Vava2109

06-08-2005, 08:41 PM

Long live jigglypuff!
Dack!! evil...

heres a challenge for ya'll, take a level 1 handicap jigglypuff(you P.1) and three level 9 handi. level 9 AI computers, heavy characters, and beat them up(each have 99 lives and you cant lose one) if you can do taht, you have too much free time to play SSB(or Melee, either works)

oringe

06-08-2005, 11:59 PM

i think those little russian dudes from tetris should be in the next one

Hiltz

06-10-2005, 05:34 PM

360 and PS3 Lead the Charge; Nintendo Looks Elsewhere

Official: Nintendo says Revolution will not support any high-definition games. Find out why the company is betting against the format while Microsoft and Sony are.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/624/624200p2.html

I'm worried about this part.

"The company(Nintendo) hopes that by doing so it can appeal to audiences who would not normally bother with the high-octane, guy-dominated games that top the current best-seller lists."

Nintendo seems to be ignoring the part where it says "current best-seller lists". This means that many gamers buy those "high-octane guy-dominated games" but these are TOP CURRENT BEST-SELLERS for a reason... gamers like them. Nintendo has little to none so what they are reinforcing is their "kiddy image".

I don't know what to make of it. I know supporting HD tv isn't so much as a big deal as compared to Nintendo's overconfidence in their new console. Nintendo is getting further and further away from its competitors and as a result in this current console wars it has lost because it has isolated itself from developers and ultimately limiting the amount of games.

Shou

06-10-2005, 11:04 PM

I think hd isnt going to be a big deal at all. The tv's are so ridiculously overpriced that barely anyone will beable to take advantage of it for years to come. The only thing Im looking foward to about it is playing games in widescreen, that has been a very long time coming. I think its a mistake microsoft is requiring every game to do hd since it will take a good chunk out of performance, practically no one will beable to use hd so the games will end up suffering graphically compared to what they could have done at standard tv resolution. But I also think its mistake nitendo is outright banning it, that makes no sense to me at all other than its a sneaky way to keep their graphics competitive with the other consoles by forcing a lower resolution. Adding hd abilities wouldnt affect their price, so thats abunch of crap- look at those 30 dollar dvd players, even they have progressive scan and component-out. And adding the ability wouldnt force developers into creating all their games in hd.

Drevay

06-11-2005, 10:41 PM

http://gear.ign.com/articles/618/618074p1.html?fromint=1

I think that the revolutions will finally make nintendo a contender (again).
No, it will be a niche market. Unfortunately the masses are only concerned with graphics and flashy hype. The revolution will be with the trendy bullshit crowd I despise so much. So, since you want one, I hate you. ;p

I'm looking for an XBox360, as it will have XBox Live, and since this is the best shit ever, well yeah.

Hiltz

06-11-2005, 11:18 PM

Nintendo has always been a contender and still is.

Nintendo simply needs to acknowledge what Sony and Xbox have that Nintendo does not. Offer what those two consoles have and more can be the winning ticket. To defeat your enemy is to know your enemy. Nintendo's overconfidence is their current enemy.

Again, innovation is nothing without good games and if Nintendo fails to attract a good amount of second and third party developers then they as well as Revolution owners will be at a loss.

As good as the first party games are they need to offer more than they have ever offered before because it has failed to work for both the N64 and for the GameCube.

This next- gen console wars may be the ultimate test for Nintendo and deciding factor for the future of its fans. Learning from your mistakes doesn't mean much if new ones are created in their place.

I agree that the Revolution will indeed become a niche market if it does not change its attitude despite its determination for innovation.

It is probably safe to say -given Nintendo's reputation- that its next-gen console will be the most risky of the three consoles to own.

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-12-2005, 12:37 AM

Nintendo has the exact same thing as xbox live, but free.

Also, Nintendo's been running commercials showing off their mature games lately, like specifically them. So that makes me think that they're going to be pushing those more as well with the revolution.

Hiltz

06-12-2005, 09:36 AM

I hope so. :D

PenguinBob

06-12-2005, 12:48 PM

Good job, Nintendo. Developers are gonna love having to retexture ports for standard definition TVs, and customers with high-end TVs are going to just adore having to play your games in a little black box in the middle of the screen or stretched out so the pixels are the size of their heads.

What possible advantage could there be to taking out HD support? Especially since HDTV is achieving greater and greater market penetration. Microsoft and Sony marketing departments are going to have a field day with this.

Link edited out, the rest is still relevant.

bigyellowlegoman

06-12-2005, 12:56 PM

Um, take a look at post 223.

meerkat

06-12-2005, 02:43 PM

So, Nintendo thinks it can carry on with only Zelda, Mario.. etc? lol

Just get the PS3 and have no worries :/

I think there are too many people who still dont like the idea of Microsoft being in the console business, this will actually be a very intersting battle between the 3

Hiltz

06-12-2005, 04:00 PM

Yeah, pretty much.

Nintendo says that they want to attract all kinds of gamers but how is that possible when the majority of their games are all first party?this may not be a problem for "hardcore"born and raised Nintendo fans but it will for everyone else.

Xbox 360 and PS3 are basically going to be improved centers of living room entertainment while Revolution will be again, focused on games but they'll possibly and ironically, have a lack of games if developers are afraid of working with the risky console. But who knows, it may be a winner for all we know. Only time will tell for sure.

Microsoft has proven that their Xbox is a force to be reckoned with. What most people don't like is the console and the games it had when it first came out. I still despise the controller lol. They came into the game as the underdog and come out of the game in second place. Although, looking back it may not have been much of an accomplishment seeing that any possible new console could have an easy win over Nintendo. :D

I'm still a Nintendo sucker. Still, we've been awarded with several wonderful and worthwhile titles, but the fact is first party alone isn't enough to satisfy gamers in the long term.

If PS3 will be at a reasonably low cost then I may get it instead of Revolution. However, Revolution still has a few tricks that it has yet to reveal. Whether or not it will be tempting to ensnare gamers will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Aires

06-12-2005, 04:18 PM

My biggest gribe with the current gen consoles would have to go to sony. They made the Ps2 into a multimedia station. I loved it, I enjoyed the fact that you could play your cds and dvds on it. But... Burnt Cds killed it from truely being multimedia for me.

It sucks when you made a burnt of a new cd that you bought and it cant play.
If they are going to have this problem with the next gen, they have no real advantage in getting into my wallet.

(though looking back, I would invest in a new sound system)
No They all seem level to me now

oringe

06-13-2005, 02:02 AM

HDTVs can be found for around 500$ for a normal sized one. you can get giant screened projections for a grand or two also. its really not outrageously expensive anymore. of course flat panels are still not cheap, but those arent the only options. and with more and more talk of all the tv stations turning to HD (isnt it in like a year or two?), HD is gonna get a big push. it really is the future. nintendo not even SUPPORTING HD seems like it is a dumb move. sony and ms arent saying that you cant play a game if you dont have a HD set, its just that if you have one you can take advantage of it. and i cant imagine it would affect development THAT much that that would be a deciding factor.