ps3 e3 demos were UNDERpowered? [Archive]

KaenLogos

06-24-2005, 12:08 PM

I cant beleive people are so against the xbox here....well its a laregely anime fan based community that seem to love all things japanese, wether it sucks or not...j/k :)

Anyhoo I dont beleive a damn thing I see for the ps3. Why you ask well obviously everyone must have forgotten what sony promised us with the ps2 and woefully failed to deliver. Will the ps3 be sexy? most likely, but will it live up to the killzone demo, I vote NO as of this moment. Besides its been almost proven the killzone vid was all cg.
At least microsoft has the balls to give us real gameplay screenshots. Not to mention all the games we have seen where running on alpha kits with an entire processor missing out of it....just wait and sees people, dont fall to hype with any company...

As for the xbox sucking, sheesh....guess none of you have played ninja gaiden, otogi, forza, kotor, conker reloaded, dead or alive, fable, etc... Its absolutely silly to claim any system sucks, wether you like the games or not every system right now has quite a few excellent games on its own platform to offer somebody.

Alas forgive me, I know this thread isnt a system debate...

Now I must quote teamxbox.com

Hype leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to suffering....

FigureFour

06-24-2005, 12:19 PM

Besides its been almost proven the killzone vid was all cg.
No it hasn't. You, like most other people, misinterpreted that whole deal.

At least microsoft has the balls to give us real gameplay screenshots.
In my opinion, they gave us really boring gameplay screenshots.

As for the xbox sucking, sheesh....guess none of you have played ninja gaiden, otogi, forza, kotor, conker reloaded, dead or alive, fable, etc... Its absolutely silly to claim any system sucks, wether you like the games or not every system right now has quite a few excellent games on its own platform to offer somebody.
I have played many of those games. Xbox still sucks. Ninja Gaiden was the only one there that was really excillent.

Izzy/K

06-24-2005, 12:35 PM

what about DOAU2? I love that game. DOA, ninja Gaiden, and Call of Duty are the only games that I've kept around.

KaenLogos

06-24-2005, 12:37 PM

Figure Four your being rather difficult here, I said you personally didnt have to like the games. There are many things I dont enjoy that many others rave about...you miss the point, everyone has different taste and simply stating the xbox sucks is just silly, or stating any current gen console system for that matter. If it is as bad as you say then they wouldnt have the most popular online service oughta the 3 consoles...

I know I may seem anal about this but I just personally find it a spit in the face to alot of hard working individuals who have produced great games for the system, for someone with little knowledge apparently to go bashing it becuase its not to his particular taste. Also to microsoft who has thus far at least listened to the fans more so than the other 2 companys have, although nintendo is wising up with the latest zelda I will say.

About the killzone vid...if im misinformed please do fogive me but I do ask you post a truly credible source that confirms it was 100% gameplay running on a real graphics engine. Though I will admit the video was impressive but I feel its a rendering of what they "want" to do with killzone which is just fine but dont go callin something gameplay when it isnt is all I have to say in my book.

This thread is not a debate thread so lets not turn it into one, all im saying here is if the killzone 2 vid is REAL GAMEPLAY at least prove it to me, thus far I havent been able to find anything credible. Though this can go both ways real or fake, nothing seems to confirm either or.

Izzy/K

06-24-2005, 12:47 PM

well we'll just have to wait till it comes out..If it is a cg cutscene I hope it's a "live cutscene" if you know what I mean...

Shou

06-24-2005, 12:52 PM

At least microsoft has the balls to give us real gameplay screenshots.
they have to show real gameplay, the console is coming out this fall. PS3 still has more than a year to its release. Games most likely arent far enough to show gameplay yet, just scripted sequences using realtime graphics

Alucard1515

06-24-2005, 02:59 PM

If I were you, I'd just give up trying to defend the XBox here, it's pointless. They've already made up their minds, and arguing with them will just frustrate you. It's not my favorite system, but some of the things people here say about it are just retarded.

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-24-2005, 05:11 PM

I don't hate the xbox, it's just the worst of the current systems, and it isn't worth the money I would have to spend to play the 3 exclusives that were actually worth playing.

As for Killzone, yes it was a video, but it was a video of ingame footage, Sony has confirmed this. It was just a video of it, because they wanted it perfectly edited, without any chance of screwups. It will look at least that good, if not better.

KaenLogos

06-24-2005, 06:27 PM

Yes indeed alucard, I wasnt trying to persuade people. Just trying to help people from having silly opinions. Point well noted though...

*runs off and enjoys gaming all on his lonesome*

Zabur

06-24-2005, 07:53 PM

There are two reasons I do not like X-Box:

1: the game, I have no enjoyed any of the ones I have playn. (I have not playn Ninja Geigen...or however you spell it, sorry)
2: It's made my M$ (isn't that enough?)

bigyellowlegoman

06-25-2005, 04:30 AM

I don't really see anything that bad about the X-Box, but I've never seriously thought about getting one, most of the "exclusive" games can be bought for the PC. I'm happy with my 'Cube and my PS2, and I doubt I'll be getting a 360, mainly for the same reason I don't own the X-Box, oh and it looks like a kettle.
Why does everybody seem to hate it?

Alucard1515

06-25-2005, 08:31 AM

1: the game, I have no enjoyed any of the ones I have playn. (I have not playn Ninja Geigen...or however you spell it, sorry)
2: It's made my M$ (isn't that enough?)
Okay, it's fine that you don't like the games, but Microsoft making it shouldn't have anything to do with not liking the console. It's not like Sony is some small company... They're a gigantic corporation, and they entered the console game for the same reasons Microsoft did: money.

There have been consoles I didn't particularly like, but I didn't dump all over them anytime someone tried to talk about them. I just don't understand why people can keep saying that there is NOTHING about the X Box they can see that makes it worth buying for ANYONE. It's ridiculous.

Cian

06-25-2005, 10:57 AM

Why does everybody seem to hate it?
I hate the Xbox because Microsoft are thieving bastards, they stole GTA, Pro Evo, MGS, they even stole Halo, it was meant to be for PS2 or else thats just a lie my friend told me.
To sum it all up, Im jealous of XBOX owners.

KaenLogos

06-25-2005, 11:08 AM

Of coarse sony wants to claim it real, just as they said the ps2 would give us toy story graphics.....that sure as hell didnt happen. All im askin for is some concrete proof either way. I would like to think it real but I aint holdin my breathe. It was mighty impressive even as conceptual video. If they can come anything close to that kind of atmosphere with solid gameplay it'll be a hit for sure.

Shou

06-25-2005, 11:26 AM

how did microsoft steal gta and mgs? those come out on ps2 a year before xbox gets them. Maybe microsoft stole halo but do you own a $3000 mac? Because thats all bungie made games for before microsoft, if anything they made it more accessible to people

KaenLogos

06-25-2005, 11:41 AM

Yeah halo was never meant for ps2....ever. Was originally a RTS game for the mac, that then turned to a third person shooter and then eventually became a fps. True microsoft got mgs and gta about a year late...although the gta games where rather nice ports most people already played em so it was just a small incentive to have em really.

*sigh* I do fear for the future of gaming, far to much he said she said bullsh!t goin on. Hard facts people, try to keep an open mind about things. A thing I think killing the industry now is hype, the hype machine is a horrible monster and sony knows how to feed it well. Microsoft is no innocent player either *cough* halo2 *cough*

Yeef

06-25-2005, 12:09 PM

"Killing the industry?"

hah.

bigyellowlegoman

06-25-2005, 12:49 PM

Yeah, um, doesn't hype have the opposite effect?
Just look at Killzone 2, y'know, Killzone 1 didn't exactly live up to the hype, did it? And sales were still high methinks. I know I won't be reserving my copy of Killzone 2 until I read some decent reviews...

Sev

06-25-2005, 06:54 PM

I understand why people love and hate the xbox.

A majority hate xbox because of two basic main reasons. A few hate the xbox because they don't understand it. Xbox wasn't originally suppose to be a gaming console TECHNICALLY it was suppose to be a mini computer but it was too heavy, they couldn't get it lighter then 8 pounds. They were working on it but they got a new vice president (or somewhere around that rank). who thrashed the idea for the mini pc (he's that bald guy you see everywhere.) And thought of a gaming console. Yada yada yada. You get the rest I hope. My proof is one of those TIME magazine's from 1999. I have one somewhere around here. Anyway the mini pc was intended to be one of those cheap gaming pc's for those who can't afford 2,000 $'s or 3,000 $'s computers. That bald guy had the gaming console in mind the since the playstation 1.

Now that I gave you a breif history of the xbox (whether you believe me or not who cares? not me! *cough*FF*cough*) The main reasons everyone hate's the xbox is because of it weight and it's fee to pay online. WELL if they shut their yap's up for a damn second and look into detail your getting xbox live for free. Anyone who pay's for it is stupid. Pretty much every new game comes with a 2 to 3 month trail to xbox live. On adverage people buy a new game every 2 to 3 months. "HINT HINT" Yea it's a scheme. So what? You would probably do the same thing if you had the chance.

ANYWAY IGNORE THAT YOU MONKEY'S, My point is, walk a mile in the xbox's father's shoes before you bash on it.

DO NOT FLAME ME!. I care about your views just like you care for mine.

Yeef

06-25-2005, 07:20 PM

Actually, people don't like the XBox because it has virtually no good exclusives.

Also, XBox sucks.

>:O

Snowfox

06-25-2005, 08:02 PM

I like my X-Box. I don't love it like a fanboy, but I like it.

My time on my PC: 99%

My time on the X-: .02%

:P

Hiltz

06-25-2005, 10:40 PM

If Sony wants to impress me then they and everyone of those gaming-related companies need to stop talking and start showing.

Source of X-Box hate

-The controllers: uncomfortable and awkward for me in all its sizes.

- Halo is nothing but a big whoop to gamers that don't like playing it (example: me)

- Where would I put the X-Box when I need room for the tv?

- The games don't interest me so why would I be interested in Xbox Live?

- The console design is uglier than Michael Jackson's face

- I have more fun playing Mu Online and that game is extremely repetitive.

If that is Xbox's father than I'd hate to see what its mother looks like.

Sony spin-offs
X-Box rip-offs
and Nintendo went crazy with innovation
Welcome the past,present, and next-generation

FLAME KING2341

06-26-2005, 12:16 AM

ok all of you guys that didnt get to see e3 off of g4 im sorry and and it kicked ass. im not gonna lie i dispise xbox in certain ways but heres how i see the compitition breakdow.

XBOX360: is a wonderful game console power beyond its previously old version its pretty danm good i seen that game were can go around in the cars and shoot the other player im sorry i forgot the name it was awsome and like the new way it was built very great no problem there i cant really put it all down beacase it hasnt come out yet but when it does it is gonna go off the shelves pretty fast.some games like perfect dark zero and dead or alive 4 and lets not forget that lovely xbox hard drive

PS3: this system is not gonna be comming till next year witch is kinda good for them because now they have time to alter the system before it goes out to the stores ps3 is gonna have wireless controlers (good bye wires helo batterys) finaly gonna have its own hard drive( thank god no more stupid memory cards i mean danm there 20$ for each)the graphics for the game i seen so far was from kill zone hmm witch was a movie but hes right lets not get all excited it might not happen wait till it comes then we'll see

nentendo revolution :this my favorite among favorites the most basicly lucky system to be released i know you guys are like "what nentendo"?yes nentendo they are the last ones to be releas puting all hope in the eyes of nentendo lovers like me for they have finnaly learned that they cant play around any more and they must get really really serious with the compotition nentendo revolution from what ive seen and heard is that it plays a dvd format does have online like the other systems and its a better shape thats for shorebut thats not its definite shape i know you guys are saying what new games oh mario or zelda or donkeykong well do those games suck tell me do they some people are tired of being held down with stories that end and thats it thats boring and exiting
in closing netendo IS NOT I REAPEAT IS NOT TO BE SLEAPT ON HELL THEY MAY EVEN WIN THIS ONE

*_*flashies*_*

06-26-2005, 12:47 AM

GO PS3!!!! all games look amazing especially killzone and so does 2 days to vegas, the people look crap but the cars....(if they are what its like in the game) amazing. Go away microsoft i hate Xbox and always will>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im sorry but ive always hated microsoft quite a bit, yet although i own a ps2 and i hate xboxes, nothing beats computers. But yeah the Xbox lovers will get angry at me but i cant stand Xbox, the only fun game i found which kept me busy for more than 5min was ninja gaiden, Halo 2 sucked, Halo was twice as good on the computer and it looks like an 80's game console....ah well goodnight angry Xbox fans, please dont hate me :P

hezzart

06-26-2005, 05:31 AM

Izzy/K

06-26-2005, 06:20 AM

this is my problem, gamecube didnt have enough games, PS2 had A LOT of games, and Xbox didnt have appealing games. I dont want to get revolution cuz it might not have enough games, and the downloadable game things dont really impress at all. The only games I would download is Goldeneye 64. As for the PS3, THAT, Im definately getting...Xbox 360, I wanna get it, but only because of DOA4, PerfectDark 0, Ghost Recon(I forget what its called), and Battlefield 2.

The one thing I hate is the fact that nintendo is being so secretive, and wont even show us what the controllers look like...

bigyellowlegoman

06-26-2005, 07:40 AM

I'm getting the rev for the first-party games I've come to love and adore.
I'm getting the PS3 for the third-party games I've come to love and adore.

KaenLogos

06-26-2005, 09:45 AM

It really shows the maturity level of some people when they scream "I HATE TEH MICRO$OFT!!!" for no apparent reason. I doubt any of you can give a solid reason you hate microsoft other than jumping on a band wagon. Dont be hatin just because they are one of the largest corporations in the world. They got there for a reason, obviously they have done something right. Its just plain idiotic to think like that...please people I beg of you, have some common sense.

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-26-2005, 09:52 AM

You like assuming that the people with differing opinions from you are just stupid don't you.

Most people have said repeatedly the reason they don't like the xbox is because of the lack of good games, and problems with the hardware itself. Those are very legitimate complaints.

FigureFour

06-26-2005, 10:38 AM

Figure Four your being rather difficult here, I said you personally didnt have to like the games. There are many things I dont enjoy that many others rave about...you miss the point, everyone has different taste and simply stating the xbox sucks is just silly, or stating any current gen console system for that matter. If it is as bad as you say then they wouldnt have the most popular online service oughta the 3 consoles...
My opinion is that the Xbox sucks. I fail to see what's silly about that.
It doesn't have the nessicary software to justify it's purchase. That sucks.

As for what you said about the online service, that's a stupid analogy. Popularity is a mesurable statistic, while I am talking about my opinion.

I know I may seem anal about this but I just personally find it a spit in the face to alot of hard working individuals who have produced great games for the system, for someone with little knowledge apparently to go bashing it becuase its not to his particular taste.
I have praised the few games that happened to be good and on the Xbox, and the programmers who made them are probably good people. However, there are alot of lazy stupid people working on Xbox games as well. Like the artists and level designers for Halo.

Also, the implication that I have "little knowledge" is unfounded and offensive. Thank you for assuming that I'm an idiot.

Yeah halo was never meant for ps2....ever. Was originally a RTS game for the mac, that then turned to a third person shooter and then eventually became a fps.
Where did you hear that? It was always intended to be a shooter.

Shou

06-26-2005, 12:08 PM

well xbox appeals quite a bit to "nongamers" which is funny since thats exactly the market nintendo wants for revolution. If you look at forums that dont have to do with games then youll find that the xbox is really popular. For a typical nongamer the most important thing is probably power/graphics (the same way they want a fast car or pickup truck that theyll never use), and they also want multiplayer games. Thats pretty much all xbox figures it should do it seems, and is evident with their decision to require all games be on live and be in hd.

FLAME KING2341

06-26-2005, 12:09 PM

go revolution wooohoooo in any case you can't call people stupid beacause they have a different opinion about things. thats just how the world is we are all different .so we all have different opinions so most people dont like what nentendo did .but people remember the revolution is only in its thinking prosses meaning they cant really show you the controlers but yet again i say this. "they are most fortunate when it comes to making there systemn system for they are gonna release there later than everyone elses" and goden eye rocked

bigyellowlegoman

06-26-2005, 12:14 PM

"they are most fortunate when it comes to making there systemn system for they are gonna release there later than everyone elses" and goden eye rocked

I don't quite understand what that means...

FLAME KING2341

06-26-2005, 12:19 PM

sorry bout that bout that typed to fast again

bigyellowlegoman

06-26-2005, 12:23 PM

Um, you didn't explain what you meant...

Hiltz

06-26-2005, 12:39 PM

Xbox 360
PS3
Nintendo "Revolution"

We don't know if they will be good, great or aweful because we have not yet used the official consoles or played any of their completed games.

It's understandable why Nintendo is being so cautious and secretive when it comes to the concept of its controller and interface.

They don't want their competitors to steal the idea. Then copy it before Nintendo's new console is even out then they'll have to compete against their very own creation. Nintendo said that you can expect to hear some news about it by the end of the year.

I stick with Nintendo because of their fantastic franchise games like Smash brothers and Zelda and their controller designs are comfortable. If the games on one console doesn't appeal to you then find one that does.

Revolution is going to be a risky console which is why I'm still uneasy and excited about it at the same time.

- Nintendo past reputation and decision making with N64 and GameCube

- Lacking third party support

Will it happen again?

- Overconfidence in the abilities of their system

The question I think Nintendo should be asking themselves is what can't their system do that their rivals can do with their systems?

- No HD tv support

Does Nintendo want to be stuck in the past? I think if video games are going to continue to be played on televisions then video games should take the advantage of what technological improvements television has to offer in order to enhance their relationship.

- Online play

This will be Nintendo's first time using online play capability for a home console. So, will it be good and will it be able to offer what Microsoft and Sony will offer? Or will Nintendo be stuck in third place in online gaming?

- Innovation madness

Nintendo wants to apply innovation not just to games but to the home console which is wonderful but will it really be as fantastic as Nintendo says it will be? Nintendo obviously have a lot of confidence but they'll need to make the gamers feel that way too. Will the innovation be for the best or will it just be a console full of hot air with a lack of games?

- The Download service

Sounds like an awesome idea and a dream come true for Nintendo fans even though we are expected to pay for it. However, will Nintendo rely too much on this if the console's games happen to take too long to come out or if the console just lack games?

- (For Nintendo) Will the "Revolution" console once again become a Nintendo console that attracts only Nintendo fans?

What will it offer to interest non-Nintendo fans? Franchise games are fine but this time you need to offer more games that are not of the Nintendo franchise kind if you intend to want to get the attention of Sony and Microsoft gamers.

Shou

06-26-2005, 12:52 PM

I dont see what the big deal is about downloading old games, you can already do that on pc. What they should have done was offer that service for DS, then they would have had something unique (there are already emulators for psp but they are a pain in the ass to play since you have to use ghetto hacks, eventually someone will come out with a hack/gameshark like device that will make them easier to play, it would be in nintendos best interest to do this before their competitor)

Alucard1515

06-26-2005, 01:01 PM

Most people have said repeatedly the reason they don't like the xbox is because of the lack of good games, and problems with the hardware itself. Those are very legitimate complaints.
I don't think people are stupid for disliking X Box, but the INSANE level of hatred towards it is stupid.

FLAME KING2341

06-26-2005, 01:08 PM

Um, you didn't explain what you meant... sorry bout that um meaning that nentendo should be big beacase they have more time to make a long story short they have the delveloping advantage

Izzy/K

06-26-2005, 01:23 PM

My opinion is that the Xbox sucks. I fail to see what's silly about that.
It doesn't have the nessicary software to justify it's purchase. That sucks.

As for what you said about the online service, that's a stupid analogy. Popularity is a mesurable statistic, while I am talking about my opinion.

I have praised the few games that happened to be good and on the Xbox, and the programmers who made them are probably good people. However, there are alot of lazy stupid people working on Xbox games as well. Like the artists and level designers for Halo.

Also, the implication that I have "little knowledge" is unfounded and offensive. Thank you for assuming that I'm an idiot.

Where did you hear that? It was always intended to be a shooter.

I remember going to circuitcity about a few years ago and I saw on the PCs a couple continous clips of Halo(of course at the time I didnt know what it was called)

Yeef

06-26-2005, 01:58 PM

Dont be hatin just because they are one of the largest corporations in the world. They got there for a reason, obviously they have done something right.That's a pretty specious statement. Clearly they did something 'right' from their own point of view, but just because someone's gotten to the top doesn't mean that they are a good company/leader/whatever. Afterall, look at people like Hitler and Stalin.

Shou

06-26-2005, 02:18 PM

I remember going to circuitcity about a few years ago and I saw on the PCs a couple continous clips of Halo(of course at the time I didnt know what it was called)
if it was before it came out on xbox then it couldnt have been the same game because halo was supposed to come out on Mac since thats the only platform bungie developed for

KaenLogos

06-26-2005, 03:01 PM

Bleh people, this topic has degenerated from its original intent. I apologize for being a cause in such matters. Everyone has their own opinions so thats enough, need to stop this pissing contest because all it proves in the end is your the first to finish in a retard race.

Tharrick

06-26-2005, 03:09 PM

To be honest, I don't approve of this whole downloadable content thing. It's just going to be an excuse for releasing unfinished games, because they'll be able to finish chunks off later - like whole gameplay modes, entire levels, characters etc. I'd rather pay once for a game, and have the whole lot there.

KaenLogos

06-26-2005, 07:58 PM

^ very true, it is a nice incentive but one that can definately be abused. Cant count how many pc games have come out and gets patched a few days later...

Izzy/K

06-26-2005, 08:35 PM

if it was before it came out on xbox then it couldnt have been the same game because halo was supposed to come out on Mac since thats the only platform bungie developed for

yeah, its like a continous clip to show off the capabilites of some kinda media player. I dont know if it was mac or pc, but it was definately Halo, I can assure you. I remember the camera looking up and I saw the halo(of course I thought it was just a tall tower). But I remember those purple ghost riding things, the purple covenant creatures, and those funny little creatures always running away

IARKK

06-26-2005, 09:06 PM

wait, that was halo? the only thing I remember were the purple alien covenant thingies riding the ghosts. I was always scared of those aliens, I thought it was gonna be a scary game.... but now that I know its halo pfpffff....

KaenLogos

06-26-2005, 10:09 PM

I remember seeing a vid showing the master cheif riding some chocobo type thing LOL even the devs made fun of it :)

Dwee dee(3d)

06-29-2005, 04:58 PM

The x-box is mindblowing... yeah maybe the system's a little *big* but... when the gamecube went all baby like on fans like me; the x-box was the place to be... Most games look better on the x-box anyways!!! And now that the new system's coming out; many game developers are sighning up for it; which is another reason I really like it *this means games take full advantage of the system other than just being translated into the system:)

gmpilot

06-29-2005, 10:46 PM

I'll stick with my pc, and own you all. Screw you!

The Bran Eating Zombie

06-29-2005, 11:40 PM

Who cares if the xbox looked a bit better then the gamecube, the cube had way better games, and way more games worth owning.

bigyellowlegoman

06-30-2005, 03:27 AM

It's just plain annoying when people call the Cube 'kiddy', some games seem as if they're trying too hard to be all adult and cool and stuff *coughManhuntcough*, I'd much rather play a FUN game with bright graphics that's easily enjoyable to play, alone or with friends.
But it seems the masses seem to like playing as some stubble-chinned, square-jawed, steroid-pumped, muscle-bound tough guy having a bad day, again and again and again.
I like games that have a strong story, and if it's a dark story, then the game should reflect that, but jeez, look how Prince of Persia adjusted to the fanbase, turning a beautiful dreamlike game into some dark brooding abyss. And it worked...

FLAME KING2341

06-30-2005, 07:03 AM

metroid primes graphics were way better than halos

Yeef

06-30-2005, 11:18 AM

It's just plain annoying when people call the Cube 'kiddy'What's annoying about it? THe large majority of the games on the cube are 'fun for the whole family' some games seem as if they're trying too hard to be all adult and cool and stuff *coughManhuntcough*I don't see the problem with that. I'm not sure what kind of movies you enjoy, but something like the devil's rejects or Land of the Dead wouldn't really work to well if they shot for a PG rating. Also, Manhunt was awesome.

I'd much rather play a FUN game with bright graphics that's easily enjoyable to play, alone or with friends.Everyone wants to play a fun game. People won't play a game that bores them simply because of the mature content. But, I can honestly say, if there were two games that I found equally fun, one that was more meant for kids, the other aimed more at my age group I'd definitely play the more mature one.

But it seems the masses seem to like playing as some stubble-chinned, square-jawed, steroid-pumped, muscle-bound tough guy having a bad day, again and again and again.I can't think of any popular video game character that even fits that description. I can tell you this though, I'd rather play Snake than Mario any day of the week.

Alucard1515

06-30-2005, 12:42 PM

But, I can honestly say, if there were two games that I found equally fun, one that was more meant for kids, the other aimed more at my age group I'd definitely play the more mature one.
My only problem with this is that some people (not saying you are) confuse mature with blood and tits. To me, a game like Beyond Good and Evil is mature, despite being rated Teen. I love violent games as much as the next person, but blowing someone's head off doesn't make a game FOR your age group, it just makes it INAPPROPRIATE for a younger audience.

Shou

06-30-2005, 01:12 PM

ya theres a difference between mature games and violent games. There are a lot of stupid games that go over the top with the content that were obviously aimed at kids, just like how there are rated R movies that would bore the hell out of kids and rated R movies that would bore the hell out of adults.

Its natural for people to not enjoy things that arent tailored for their age group. Do you listen to nursery ryhmes in your car or do you listen to "grown up" music now?

Yeef

06-30-2005, 01:40 PM

My only problem with this is that some people (not saying you are) confuse mature with blood and tits. To me, a game like Beyond Good and Evil is mature, despite being rated Teen. I love violent games as much as the next person, but blowing someone's head off doesn't make a game FOR your age group, it just makes it INAPPROPRIATE for a younger audience.When I think mature I think more in terms of themes. Like MGS3 isn't really all that gory, but I'd definitely consider it mature because of the plot and the subject matter it deals with. At the same time though in some games gore and sexual themes help to enhance the immersion of the game world. Manhunt and Tenchu are pretty similar, but because Manhunt is violent and the enemies are crude it makes it more fun than Tenchu (where the enemies and violence is almost cartoonish) because you're more immersed into the role that you're playing.

Dwee dee(3d)

06-30-2005, 03:59 PM

I'm kinda over metal gear solid. I was hooked on the first one; but when you see guys like liquid coming from the dead (He DIED in MSG1!!) It just taps into the mythological (yeah, I kinda bought the case with raven) and myth isn't something MSG can play well (it's got a theme to do with nukes...) so how can MSG LEAVE A TANGENT ON MY HEAD THAT PEOPLE COME FROM THE DEAD, WHILE TRYING TO EMERSE ME INTO THEIR ALREADY COOL STORY? If the subject matter wasn't something like nukes, giant robots, or secret agents... then yes... PEOPLE CAN COME FROM THE DEAD... Other than that... Liquid needs to be six feet under (I'm not talking Australia either).

IARKK

06-30-2005, 05:52 PM

metroid primes graphics were way better than halos

you're damn right they were! If they focused on multiplayer mode, it would make halo look like crap

Snowfox

06-30-2005, 05:56 PM

I'll stick with my pc, and own you all. Screw you!

Damn straight. ~High five.~

gmpilot

06-30-2005, 06:12 PM

~80s high five back~ Yesssssssss!

Yeef

06-30-2005, 08:17 PM

Nice melons.

High Five?

PC games in general don't interest me. There's only a handful of PC games that I've enjoyed as much as a do console games.

Snowfox

06-30-2005, 08:49 PM

I think PC games and console games are quite different in subtle ways. The way it looks, the way it works (in-game physics and such). I don't really think either one is really better than the other, but since I was raised up on PC stuff I'm so biased. :P

Shou

06-30-2005, 09:16 PM

I think they are different mainly because one has a majority of japanese developers and another has nothing but american and european developers.

FLAME KING2341

06-30-2005, 10:57 PM

i dont play pc games unless you wanna count the sims and rune

KaenLogos

06-30-2005, 11:05 PM

FLAME KING2341

07-01-2005, 12:20 AM

Flame Kind ill pretend I didnt see that...metroids graphics kicked ass because of attention to detail but they where not quite "better" than halo's, of coarse its subject to opinion but I would sure as hell love to see metroid pull off halo's scale and battle scenarios...both are awesome looking games but please dont be silly...

silly lol oh shit you crack me up have you seen metroid prime 1&2 hmm i guess you didnt the games soundtrack and graphics are quit stunning they make you feel as if you are really on a planet with nothing but aliens halo is great dont get me wrong its multyplayer is mostly what put halo up there and i love halo but you have to give it to metroid with graphics

halo is great but in the end metroid looked better metriod was mostly based on one player more than it was multyplayer witch made halo better they just tried this out but maybee the next one would be alot better

P.S ITS FLAME KING :D

Snowfox

07-01-2005, 12:58 AM

You're serious huh?

You think Metroid had better graphics than Halo 2?

FLAME KING2341

07-01-2005, 01:01 AM

it did

IARKK

07-01-2005, 07:07 AM

Definately. The graphics on metroid prime were smooth and always smooth throughout the whole game.

Snowfox

07-01-2005, 07:11 AM

You guys are surely entitled to your delusions... I mean opinions.

KaenLogos

07-01-2005, 10:27 AM

Oh gosh, im sorry but the gamecube alone as a peice of hardware doesnt quite match what the xbox has to throw out. Both are impressive in their own rights but halo has much "more" goin on with it. Namely large outdoor environments and battle scenarios where metroid has impressive sections but has to load everytime you go through a door (but the loads are not bad at all) They definately have much better attention to detail in metroid by faaaaaar but for base graphics you just cant touch halo's bump mapping...

http://gr.bolt.com/games/xbox/action/halo6b.jpg

http://www.pcgamer.com/images/rev_hol03_halo.jpg

vs

http://www.ntsc-uk.com/reviews/ngc/MetroidPrime/03.jpg

http://edomekuvat.soneraplaza.fi/kuvagalleria_metroidprime/metroidprime-4.jpg

http://www.nintendocentre.com/screens/metroidprime/1.jpg

now what metroid does have over halo is a far superior art direction. For the most part better designed levels, but these are to amazingly different games so you can not truly compare level design.

Now if you wanna talk about the quality of graphics in each games respective sequals...

IARKK

07-01-2005, 01:06 PM

I'd still prefer playing metroid prime than halo though.... and I think metroid prime has biggger levels than halo( halo is like, different places all the time, but metroid prime is just one world, in a really huge map. and it doesnt load on every door, it loads every levels, which would be going up and down the elevators, but I still dont count that as loading, its just showin a brief cinematic cutscene of samus going up or down elevatorshttp://polykarbonbbs.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

you're right though, each one has its own uniqueness, but I think metroid prime is still a better overall game.

KaenLogos

07-01-2005, 01:17 PM

See saying you like metroid prime overall gamewise better is worlds different than saying metroid prime has better graphics, im sorry im so anal please forgive me. Its hard sometimes, I think im about the only one who loves gaming on the xbox (heck I love gaming on just about anything it just so happens I love to kill people and the xbox allows me to do that best ^_^) but yeah metroid is an amazing experience with immersion that halo will never have but like I said before, 2 very diferent games :)

Shou

07-01-2005, 01:19 PM

what? one of the first levels in halo takes place on an entire island, it takes like 10 minutes just to drive across it in a car.

IARKK

07-01-2005, 01:36 PM

yeah but its not connected to other levels. One area in metroid prime is like 1000x bigger than that island

I like the xbox too, mostly because of DOA, Ghost Recon, and Splinter Cell.

Shou

07-01-2005, 01:53 PM

rooms are very different than open areas since they can just turn off the rooms you arent in and save memory, unless metroid had a room as big as an island then it cant compare to halo

KaenLogos

07-01-2005, 03:00 PM

a 1000x bigger, holy hell will you please pass what you be smokin my brotha...

I know what your trying to say, all the levels on metroid prime are connected. You dont seem to quite grasp how certain aspects of game technology functions...For instance its not one big map in metroid you seemlessly can run through. Its divided up into small limited sections due to memory restrictions of the system. Halo does this as well but its not quite as noticeable, halo2 does it even better. Metroid had a clever disguise for it. But for each section of uninterupted gameplay without a loading of any sort halo smokes metroid and most other games of similar genre on the current consoles.

White_Knight

07-02-2005, 04:46 AM

I don't mind if the levels are big or small. I like the story line and gameplay. One of my favourite games (don't bash me for this) is Ratchet and Clank. It has fair sized levels, but the art and the storyline is really good. People should stop debating over how good the game is (graphics, power, bump mapping) and talk about how it brings thew sotry across. One of the best "games" i have played was a pen and paper RPG, becuase of the story line and stuff like i have mentioned before.

(note: I think games do need to incorporate more cinematic gameplay scenes, egsample: Demon stone =D)

Cian

07-02-2005, 06:45 AM

I wish people would stop talking about Halo, I mean....its not that good.

IARKK

07-02-2005, 07:04 AM

its good multiplayer-wise. other than that It kinda bores me.

Cian

07-02-2005, 07:07 AM

Multiplayer sucks! It pales in comparison to the likes of Red Faction 2.

IARKK

07-02-2005, 07:19 AM

red faction 2 was too jumpy.... I loved it at first, but I got tired of it after awhile. i got to the point where blowin people's heads off was a routine thing. its still a good game though...

Snowfox

07-02-2005, 07:25 AM

Halo is average in multiplayer. It makes me think the people who rave about its multiplayer never played anything else multiplayer.

KaenLogos

07-02-2005, 08:27 AM

All I was talking about is the claim the graphics and levels in metroid where bigger and better in metroid compared to halo...and of coarse you guys gotta start bashing halo as per usual.

IARKK

07-02-2005, 08:42 AM

Halo got boring for me. I loved it at first, but it started getting boring and repetitive. Metroid prime at least has unlockables to unlock, and more stuff to do.

Snowfox

07-02-2005, 08:44 AM

All I was talking about is the claim the graphics and levels in metroid where bigger and better in metroid compared to halo...and of coarse you guys gotta start bashing halo as per usual.

****, I'm not bashing anything. I have both Halo 1 and 2 and enjoyed them, but that doesn't change the FACT, that nothing in Halo was original in the multiplayer. It's my OPINION, that it was only average compared to other games in the genre.

Stop getting so defensive over your precious Halo.

KaenLogos

07-02-2005, 08:49 AM

If you wanna argue best multiplayer ever my vote goes to Tribes 1 & 2 which to this day is some of the biggest best and most strategic action based fun ive ever had the please to partake in. Halo is awesome because its just so polished and a fun console fps. Sorry if I seem overly defensive its just silly how out of their way people go here to bash halo. I accept its not for everyone just like any other game, though I do tend to defend bungies work when it is MINDLESSLY bashed if for nothing more than all the hard work they have put into it.

Snowfox

07-02-2005, 08:53 AM

Okay... my opinion of you went from whiner, to awesome. I still play Tribes 1 and 2.

IARKK

07-02-2005, 08:56 AM

awww...well, isnt that nice to hear..... never played tribeshttp://polykarbonbbs.com/images/smilies/eek2.gif

Yeef

07-02-2005, 08:58 AM

Halo Sucks!

Snowfox

07-02-2005, 09:00 AM

Halo Sucks!

How can anyone get mad at you with a display pic like that? It's not fair.

KaenLogos

07-02-2005, 10:14 AM

Yeah tribes rawks, always has and always will. There isnt a multiplayer fps I play that I dont compare to tribes and have almost always found lacking in comparison (as far as teamplay and depth goes) I was deeply saddened by the crap that is tribes vengeance though :( *sigh* another series flushed down the toilet...

Izzy/K

07-02-2005, 12:01 PM

goldeneye 64 was my favorite FPS multiplayer game, as well as The World is not enough, and Nightfire. All other 007 games sucked. It lost its lust.

FLAME KING2341

07-02-2005, 11:08 PM

sorry im late

oh halo is a great game belive me but metriod primes singleplayer is good as well hmm halo got me fu**ing annoyed when it ended it was so short and those parisites make me sick they stay coming outa nowere or respawning from no were that game is good with multiplayer and that is mostly right but if you think halo serpasses metriod prime in singleplayer your doubtfully wrong..

and can you please show the new screan shots of metriod prime 2
oh and state y you love halo so much other than its the best xbox game. seriously thats sad....

IARKK

07-03-2005, 06:54 AM

oh well, I enjoyed one player on metroid prime better than halo

KaenLogos

07-03-2005, 09:25 AM

Oh my god, I hate fanboys hate em all. My recent post does not state which single player experience I love more. God dangit I hate when people put words into my mouth it is so infuriating. They are totally different experiences, personally I enjoyed both on about an equal scale. All I was talking about is the level size and graphics between the two because a poster was stating something that I didnt beleive quite techically true.
As for why I personally like halo, I beleive its solid and one of the most polished console fps games ive ever come across. It took elements from alot of different things and put em together in a nice tight package. Metroid prime is the same way, super damn polished and loads of fun to play. Yeah I know it sounds crazy but I play games to have fun, I play everything good I get my hands on because I choose not to be a mindless fanboy and bash other games juz because I may not like it....

As for the metroid prime 2 and halo2 screens...
*THIS IS GRAPHICS COMPARISON ONLY!!!!!!*
Metroid 2:
http://www.todojuegos.com/modules/coppermine/albums/GameCube/Metroid_Echoes/metroid_echoes_ss02.jpg

http://gc.advancedmn.com/images/media/prime2_01.jpg

http://www.planetgamecube.com/media/209118046.jpg

http://www.corpnews.com/reviews/200412/20/01-MP2/screenshots/MetroidPrime2-1.jpg

VS

Halo2:

http://www.xboxgazette.com/i/pic_halo2_20.jpg

http://www.xbox-player.com/images/games/Halo2-010704-01.jpg

http://cerberus.gamershell.com/screenshots/4342/70584_full.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/lifestyle/games_room/2004/halo/images/halo2_400.jpg

Now both games look damn awesome, metroid 2 was only held back by the gamecubes limitations unfortunately. Nothing wrong with that since metroid has such a smooth framerate and practically zero glitches. Halo2 looks damn good but runs at about 30 fps and has horrible texture pop in, but its a good graphics engine none the less that is held back by the xbox's limits.

FLAME KING2341

07-03-2005, 09:53 AM

what ever
well argued i agree for once nice breakdown

IARKK

07-03-2005, 09:53 AM

someone needs to chill, I am not a fanboy of metroid prime, and I was talkin to flameking cuz he said if you think halo serpasses metriod prime in singleplayer your doubtfully wrong..

and I was stating my opinion

KaenLogos

07-03-2005, 10:18 AM

I apologize iarkk I must have missed that post, its just tiring that people have to constantly flame something. Either way, saying metroid sucks or saying halo sucks is just plain silly.

FLAME KING2341

07-03-2005, 10:29 AM

soo its squashed then

Yeef

07-03-2005, 11:12 AM

Either way, saying metroid sucks or saying halo sucks is just plain silly.Having an opinion is silly.

That's news to me!

KaenLogos

07-03-2005, 11:17 AM

*sigh* having an opinion is not silly, bashing something mindlessly is just silly, or simply going completely out of the way to voice an unnecessary opinion= silly...smartass

Yeef

07-03-2005, 01:33 PM

All opinions are, inherently, unneccesary.

Going 'out of the way' wouldn't really apply here. Perhaps if this were a Halo forum and someone came here to bash the game then that explanation would be valid. But this isn't a Halo forum, it's a video game sub-forum on an art board. Someone who has a dissenting opinion isn't really going out of their way at all to post here unless they signed up specifically to bash Halo.

bashing something mindlessly is just sillyBut people weren't bashing mindlessly. THey gave reasons why they thought the game was bad but then you still complain about the fact that they think it sucks. You say you hate fanboys, but that's the type of thing fanboys do.

Also, Halo sucks.

KaenLogos

07-03-2005, 04:56 PM

Yeef its just frustrating to me to see people bag on anything without good reason, I dont care if you like or hate it but just dont go bringing down anyones hard work so rudely without good reason. There are people that gave valid beleivable reasons and thats great, but so many others are just "OmG HALO IS TEH SUXXORSZZZZZ PS2 OWNS JOOO!!!!" and such, just rather frustrating to me. Im not here to argue this so please get back onto original topic people.

For point of reference before people over analyze my words when I said "PS2 OWNS JOOO!!!" im merely using an example, nobody has quite said those words but im sure some smartass here would try and acuse me of somethin else...

Snowfox

07-03-2005, 05:39 PM

You could always... ignore... fanboy posts.

Yeef

07-03-2005, 08:34 PM

Yeef its just frustrating to me to see people bag on anything without good reason, I dont care if you like or hate it but just dont go bringing down anyones hard work so rudely without good reason.Well, as I've already pointed out, people already gave their reasons for hating Halo/XBox. To say that someone's opinion is somehow invalid simply because you don't like people 'bashing' is both naive and arrogant. And guess what? Just because you put a lot of hard work into something doesn't make it good. I think you're either forgetting or just missing the fact that games and consoles are consumer goods made for the sole purpose of making profits. When a company makes a shitty product they're going to get shitty feedback. There's no reason to pay these people any respect just because they tried hard to win our greebacks and failed. That's no major feat. By your logic if I were to put a lot of time and effort into making a deodorant and put it out on the market only to find it causes terrible rashes people shouldn't criticize it rudely. That's infinitely more 'silly' than a 'mindless' opinion.

Im not here to argue this so please get back onto original topic people.The thread hasn't been ont he original topic (PS3 being underpowered at E3) since the first page. Conversations evolve, topics shift. Deal with it. :)

bigyellowlegoman

07-04-2005, 06:11 AM

Hey, Kaenlogos, just wondering, how come the HUD displays on two of the metroid prime 2 screens (the first two) are different?

IARKK

07-04-2005, 09:05 AM

whoah...I just noticed that...wtf? whats up with the colorful HUD?

bigyellowlegoman

07-04-2005, 10:36 AM

I'm guessing one must be the ntsc version and one must be the pal version but I dunno.

KaenLogos

07-04-2005, 01:06 PM

Hmmmm yeah I didnt notice that either, hope I didnt grab a beta version pic or something. Graphically it looks the same minus the hud. It was kind of hard to find good gameplay pics of either game to show really, oddly enough.

FLAME KING2341

07-04-2005, 09:08 PM

Well, as I've already pointed out, people already gave their reasons for hating Halo/XBox. To say that someone's opinion is somehow invalid simply because you don't like people 'bashing' is both naive and arrogant. And guess what? Just because you put a lot of hard work into something doesn't make it good. I think you're either forgetting or just missing the fact that games and consoles are consumer goods made for the sole purpose of making profits. When a company makes a shitty product they're going to get shitty feedback. There's no reason to pay these people any respect just because they tried hard to win our greebacks and failed. That's no major feat. By your logic if I were to put a lot of time and effort into making a deodorant and put it out on the market only to find it causes terrible rashes people shouldn't criticize it rudely. That's infinitely more 'silly' than a 'mindless' opinion.

The thread hasn't been ont he original topic (PS3 being underpowered at E3) since the first page. Conversations evolve, topics shift. Deal with it. :)

well said yeef nice argument

as for you kaenlogos stop saying silly you sound realy realy gay

Snowfox

07-04-2005, 09:51 PM

Yes, and gay people are very bad. Bad, bad gay people...

Demon Daze

07-04-2005, 10:01 PM

Now you're just being silly.

KaenLogos

07-04-2005, 10:27 PM

Oh you big silly's....

Demon Daze

07-04-2005, 11:46 PM

Actually, Kaen, it's pronounced "thilly". Get with the times, jeez...

FLAME KING2341

07-05-2005, 05:47 AM

lol what ever its just a little weird to say silly i think my moms the only one who still says it

misterkyo

07-05-2005, 07:19 AM

There was a very interesting comment made in the 3d world magazine that the ps3 demos aren't real. Not sure if it's correct, but here it is anyway:

One of sony's best playstation demos saw the assts of london based game The getaaway repurposed and polished to display the graphical power of the new console. Described by Sony Vice President Phil Harrison as a virtual tourist's take on Picadilly Circus, it included the modelling of a camcorder's auto focus as well as saturated lighting effects and depth of field. A similar example saw Sony's CG footage of spider man 2 villan alfred molina running in real time on the platform. This used high dynamic range lighting together with sub surface scattering to model the interaction of light and human skin.

Slightly more puzzling however, was the allegedly in game footage from titles such as killzone, formula one and motorstorm, which looked anythig but. Some industry insiders even claimed to be able to pick out which US and UK post production houses had been involved....

I thought killzone 2 looked pretty amazing, but if they're using sub surface scattering then that really is deceptive because computers can't even do that in real time. HDR is plausible though, since they're beginning to introduce that now to games. Keep in mind that when the n64 was being worked on, nintendo also released these images from a silicon graphics machine-one i distinctly remember was a shot of an fzero style racer. :p Guess we'll find out if they were over powered or underpowered sooner or later. Hopefully before launch.

Manga Sims

07-06-2005, 12:11 PM

lol what ever its just a little weird to say silly i think my moms the only one who still says it

Your gay...because you don't use capitals or punctuations. :squint:

I'm what you call an XBOX fan boy, but from what I've seen the PS3 is going to be more powerful than the 360.

I can only go from what I've read/heard from Sony, and they say that its actual game play. If they say that it is underpowered, then I beleive that.

They are a company, and we are consumer. They wouldn't lie to us....would they?

Didn't they say that the PS2 would have Toy Story graphics for gamplay?

If so....I 1/2 and 1/2 beleive in Sony's PS3 power. :)

FLAME KING2341

07-06-2005, 07:04 PM

ok im really really getting sick of this puctuation sh8t seriously who cares if you know what im saying dont bug me about it its a hassle going back and forth yes im lazy GOD

AND YOUR HOMO FOR COReCTING ME

Snowfox

07-06-2005, 07:45 PM

Finally he slipped.
Can someone ban him now please?

Makkon

07-06-2005, 07:57 PM

And I thought he was intelligent....

So anyway, somewhat back on topic, I saw the E3 demo of Killzone(tm) and I was very much impressed. It saddens me to find that it might have been pre rendered game-play. Never-the-less, time will tell and we can all but it when it's out. Besides, what can you do anyway?

darkreaver

07-06-2005, 08:22 PM

ok im really really getting sick of this puctuation sh8t seriously who cares if you know what im saying dont bug me about it its a hassle going back and forth yes im fu**cking lasy GOD

AND YOUR F*&*CKING HOMO FOR CORCETING ME

One more outburst like that and it's ban time. Be more civil in the future.

..please, continue the discussion. =)

FLAME KING2341

07-06-2005, 09:09 PM

well i actually snaped what ever i just cant stand when people know what im talking about and they still correct me its anoying what ever in the future i will put punctuations and

i didnt say he was gay stupid i said he sounded gay god:confused:

KaenLogos

07-06-2005, 09:39 PM

Basically it all boils down to nobody knows nothin bout the ps3 ability to render killzone 2 in real time or not. Gotta remember though if killzone 2 had graphics like that then more ps3 games surely would follow suite dont you think...I mean look at gears of war, using the unreal3 tech. There are about a dozen games now on all the different platforms in development using this new tech.

FLAME KING2341

07-06-2005, 10:08 PM

i agree kaenlogos

Manga Sims

07-06-2005, 11:18 PM

Never-the-less, time will tell.

Tis true. Tis true.

misterkyo

07-16-2005, 12:49 AM

Sorry to bring back an old topic, but i thought people might be interested.

This is from the newest hyper magazine:
Some of the games on this page featured what appeaered to be actual gameplay footage (heavenly sword, killing day, fifth phantom saga) while others were pre rendered (killzone, motorstorm, warhawk). Either way, there's plenty to be excited about.

I knew killzone looked too good to be true.

Yeef

07-16-2005, 01:37 AM

That's not really any new or reliable information. What are their sources? Just because some magazine (that can't really be that popular to begin with since I've never heard of it) says something doesn't automatically make it true. Hardly worth bumping an old topic for.

misterkyo

07-16-2005, 05:12 AM

Hyper is an Australian magazine, so unless you get import Aus mags i doubt you're ever going to see it. Which is a shame, because it's quite a good magazine. I'm afraid i have no idea where they get their info from. I'd also say that there's few times they've been wrong, so there's a good chance it's right. http://www.nextmedia.com.au/hyper.php

I'll also disagree that it wasn't worth bumping. I thought people might be interested.

Yeef

07-16-2005, 10:19 AM

Well, sir, I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it.

misterkyo

07-16-2005, 05:44 PM

Very good sir. :)

misterkyo

08-02-2005, 08:14 PM

The killzone trailer is indeed fake, in that it was running at 5 frames per second and they sped it up in post production. Note the guy says it is possible that it MAY be able to do that realtime because the trailer was made on an alpha test hardware.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2514066#post2514066

Gaara

08-02-2005, 08:50 PM

Nintendo made the Naruto fighting games, which are without doubt, the best of all time. Go nintendo, other than that, PS2 was cool, and aside from that xbox had halo and...umm....fusion frenzy. I can't wait for PS3 and for new naruto games haha.

Jonzai

08-04-2005, 10:20 AM

Graphics don't make the game.

Hiltz

08-04-2005, 10:24 AM

Graphics are without a doubt a very important part of the gaming experience, visual pleasure if you will. PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to be visually gorgeous and on top of that they're going to have some very nice games with good gameplay, which is what really counts.

I'm still very skeptical about Nintendo's decision of replacing raw power with innovation and not supporting hd tv. Sony and Microsoft are not stupid, they are not just focusing on raw power, but it does play a huge role with their next-gen consoles.

Jonzai

08-04-2005, 10:27 AM

I find Graphics are the least important bit. Heck, Mario Kart for the Snes is more enjoyable then the constantly churned out WW2 games and movie tie-ins that make up the bulk of the PS2 library, even if it does look like a steaming pile of turd compared to modern games.

I'm still very skeptical about Nintendo's decision of replacing raw power with innovation and not supporting hd tv.

I'm all for it, would you rather be playing something new, interesting and original that's never been done before? Or would you prefer to shoot Nazis?

Hiltz

08-04-2005, 10:38 AM

I think it depends totally upon the gameplay of the video game to determine how important graphics should be for that game. A game like Killer7, the graphics played a huge role in it. Infact, I found the stylized graphics to be far more enjoyable than the actual gameplay itself.

PS2 has Grand Theft Auto:SA. I found the graphics there to be decent, but nothing spectacular, the range of gameplay is what I think makes the game fun.

The next-gen consoles will all be able to expand as far as graphics go.

I'm all for it, would you rather be playing something new, interesting and original that's never been done before? Or would you prefer to shoot Nazis?

I'm certainly all for it, but the thing that scares me is Nintendo's reputation. Third party support and obession with innovation and using the download service as a lazy effort to envitably and conveniantly delay Revolution games are what really scare me. As far as the download service goes, I'd like to think of it as an optional side dish, while the Revolution games are the main course.

Nintendo's "revolutionary" controller will either attract game developers or simply scare them away. Sony and Microsoft have impressive lists of game developers working for their next-gen consoles. The one thing I definetly expect from Nintendo is an overwhelming amount of Franchise mascot games. Nintendo needs a reason to attract Xbox and Sony fans, not nintendo loyalists who are already in love with Nintendo. Besides, Nintendo is full of crap when they say that they are satsifying the hardcore gamer. PS3 and Xbox 360 will be sure to do that more than ever before at this rate.

Nintendo had enough problems with the attraction for Gamecube. Now, their next-gen console is specifically being focused on innovation. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who sees this predictable problem here. The postive I believe will be outweighed by the negative in the long run (despite Revolution's online capability, download service and backward comptability with GC). What really will matter will be the Revolution games as far as I am concerned.

In the way of next-gen game developers, I think that Nintendo can no longer simply rely on itself.Sega is simply ridiculous trying to make a continuous effort to make gamers love Sonic/Shadow and Midway is ridiculous with its always flawed Mortal Kombat games. Capcom, Namco, Square, Konami, and the other top dogs will play the crucial role in the success of the next-gen consoles.

The true graphically powered PS3 will show it's true colors when the console itself will become available to the public. Looking at the game graphics on the internet through trailers and various video clips and images can be deceiving.The best way is to have first hand experience and unfortunetly we won't know until the console actually comes out.

Yeef

08-04-2005, 01:15 PM

I'm all for it, would you rather be playing something new, interesting and original that's never been done before?Of course, but that's not going to happen with Nintendo!

flare60

08-04-2005, 02:16 PM

Of course, but that's not going to happen with Nintendo!

For that very very bad comment about nintendo i poke thee ! :poke:

If it wasnt for nintendo gamesystems wouldnt be what they are today, it didnt birth games but created the spark that has led to the game marked that is today.

Also, nintendo created the first major succesful handheld game systems, wich everyone belived wouldnt be possible at the time, and not so cheap either.

Nintendo migth be moving slowly, but nintendo tends to make huge impacts now and then wich really benefits system creations.

Yeef

08-04-2005, 05:04 PM

I hate handhelds, so that doesn't matter to me.

I've already expressed my views in an old thread and I do not wish to do all that typing again. But suffice to say, Nintendo is easily the most overrated video game developer.

Jonzai

08-05-2005, 02:19 AM

You've also got to look at it from the developers point of view. Sure the console may have eye blistering graphics but if you think about the amount of time it would take to make a 30 hour+ game with those kind of Graphics, the production time from the smaller studios would be huge, meaning that by the time their quasi-original game roled out, one of the bigger game companies would have put out ten graphically superior games, Heck, if I was a small developer working soley for the PS3 and Xbox360, I'd either have to make games with crap graphics (compared to the bigger companies) yet original/solid gameplay. Or declair bankruptcy/merge with a larger developer.

This could mean that companies only made games that were certain to sell, which would leave the PS3 bloated with a large library that consisted soley of shooters, fighters, racers and Final Fantasy remakes.

Of course, but that's not going to happen with Nintendo!

DS.

Hmm, a mini PS2 with games I've played all before but with worse controls, or the possibility for huge amounts of originality. (Electroplankton, Nintendogs, PacPics)

Hiltz

08-05-2005, 11:26 AM

I agree with Yeef's statement about Nintendo.

From what I read at ign.com possibly more than a week ago, about how several game developers intend to develope games in the future that will be shorter in gameplay time, but will still offer everything that would naturally make a game very fun and successful. (graphics and all that jazz)

The reason some game developers intend on doing this is because there are many games available that are very long and while some are successful and fun, otherwise are simply trying to increase game time by including mini games and/or collecting stuff like in the most recent Spider-man movie video game, where the coins really serve no purpose at all.

It's just a convenient game developing ploy to get the player to play the game more which thereby is supposed to make them "happy" when its really just a bullshit excuse. One that that is a like a red flag saying that the developer doesn't not really improve the actual gameplay for the greater good. Whether you like that stuff is perfectly fine though.

The point of it all is that no one likes to play a game that gets dragged out over a long period of time and while doing it in a bad fashion too. Obviously, a long and successfully fun game is absolutely possible, but the game developer is the one that needs to put forth the effort in in order to make it the best it can be, otherwise why bother?