Anime and your Parents...

[Twitch]

Ever watch anime around your parents...when it's one of those shows where they have "mature" material, but they don't understand that most people in Japan don't see the shows as a cartoons...It can get awkward
I was watching Champloo one night, and my parents where like "cartoons can't cuss...they can talk about gays? Cartoons shouldn't be so violent" I was sitting there just trying to enjoy the episode...ahhhhh
I watched Tekken, the anime with them around, and that was almost an identical conversation...a one-sided conversation :laugh:

share your awkward moments here (regarding the above ^ statements)

[Azmodeus]

LoL good topic. I remember one of the first anime's I ever watched.

It was The Proffesional, about some merc hired to assassin some mob boss or whatever. I had no idea. My mom feel asleep on the couch, but woke up right when the mob boss was playing with 3 butt ass naked hookers. The main character made this super awesome shot. He perched two buildings away. Then took his aim and shot through a building and a half nailing the guy between the eyes. Wicked cool to watch if you've never seen anime before like I hadn't. Needless to say, the nakedness and violence got anime prohibited from the house. (which basically meant watch it when she's not home next time)

That opened my eyes to the wonders of the anime world. I'm not consumed as much as I'd like, but


oh well.

[Twitch]

thats hilarious...most Americans (parents especially) sometimes don't realize that anime is often not designed as a bugs bunny thing...and they don't realize that anime can cover all age groups...and many topics that are never tread upon in the "saturday morning lineup" ie. gay marriage and relations, severe violence, or even death at all...

[Cativo]

I was watching Cowboy Bebop the movie one night, my mom asked me what I was doing and I said "I'm watching a movie" she got a glimps and said "That's a strange movie, they're cartoons"....:)

[satanicpanic]

same thing happened when i watched champloo wth my mom nearby when fuu yelled JACKASS! or when mugen talked about jin being a quere last night my mom goes whats this world coming to and walks off and ignores me for hours......the worst is when your brother gets caught looking at hentai and then says its anime.......
oh yah no anime for awhile there...

[Naota]

Oh man, I can not stand it when people think anime is "strange looking cartoons". Most people just don't know anything about it, or think everything anime related is hentai.

Anyway, yeah, my parents have always been cautious about "what I watch", they wouldn't let me watch DBZ when I was 8 years old. I need anime, so I've had to avoid them knowing I watch anime with adult content in it, A.K.A. adult swim, what I've been living on. If they walk in the room, I have to change the channel really fast. Sad, but I can't be watching pokemon to hold off my anime craving. :p

[satanicpanic]

yah you must be deprived of anime Naota you played space invaders for an hour

[Naota]

An hour? Try closer to 3 hours.

Also, I'm getting tired of adult swim. So I've been downloading naruto episodes, fansubbed. Naruto and adult swim, currently living on right now.

[Snowfox]

Luckily my parents started me out with Nausicaa when I was a little kid, then moved to Speed Racer and DBZ. So they have a good tolerance, but I don't live with them anymore so it doesn't really matter what I watch when I want.

[FigureFour]

Ever watch anime around your parents...when it's one of those shows where they have "mature" material, but they don't understand that most people in Japan don't see the shows as a cartoons...It can get awkward
I was watching Champloo one night, and my parents where like "cartoons can't cuss...they can talk about gays? Cartoons shouldn't be so violent" I was sitting there just trying to enjoy the episode...ahhhhh
I watched Tekken, the anime with them around, and that was almost an identical conversation...a one-sided conversation :laugh:

share your awkward moments here (regarding the above ^ statements)
I watched the second Crying Freeman movie with my mom, because she walked in and sat down in the middle of it. She sat through the scene where the main character has sex with his wife and her adopted fat ninja sister at the same time.

She actually didn't care at all.

I watched Tekken with my parrents as well. That was much more embarassing, because it is a terribly bad movie.

[Twitch]

I watched Tekken with my parrents as well. That was much more embarassing, because it is a terribly bad movie.

:laugh: I know, the storyline kept jumping, and if you hadn't played the game, you had no idea what was going down (even then you where confused) like they tried to stuff in as many of the game characters as they could (it was terribly short too :ugh: )

I'm glad there's been so many response :D oh yeah...


I had borrowed the dvd of Gundam 08th MS team, from my friend...i had to watch when my rents weren't home, because the audio was weird so you couldn't understand the speech without a lot of volume, then they would yell "DAMNIT YOU IDIOT I'M GOING TO KILL YOU BASTARD"
so i was like aarhg turn down turn down....

then I had to get rid of some Hellsing on my comp. because the content would obviously be submitted to severe criticism and punishment :laugh:

[IARKK]

I hate it when people say anime is for kids...uuhh, crazy naked psychic girl killing off security, rippin their heads off, arms, rippin them in half, using dead bodies for cover from bullets...(Elfen Lied) for kids? If thats for kids, then I must be doin somethin wrong here...

[pofo]

I hate it when people say anime is for kids... using dead bodies for cover from bullets
Yes, wouldn't want our kids to learn any stupid habits. There should be a notice at the end:
Remember kids, a dead body is not adequate cover from bullets. Neither is it advisable to attack armed security forces while naked. Pneumonia kills more people than bullets.

[FigureFour]

:laugh: I know, the storyline kept jumping, and if you hadn't played the game, you had no idea what was going down (even then you where confused) like they tried to stuff in as many of the game characters as they could (it was terribly short too :ugh: )
Not to mention the animators must have been on crack.
I've seen smoother animation in flipbooks that I drew with a pen stuck in my ass.

[Twitch]

I should try that :laugh: ..that was a joke haha :sarcastic
...yeah, that animation was everywhere...I think the smoothest sequence was when the Indian (drawing a blank on her name) through the Axe at Heihachi as he announces the tournament rules

[FigureFour]

Julia.

[IARKK]

is the animations really that bad?

[Anyte]

My kids have watched a lot of anime. I remember my oldest, 4 or 5 years ago, thinking some of the anime I watched was really weird. I had to explain to her why it was "cool" and not "weird". How sad is that, me, the parent, is cooler than my own kid? She doesn't like naked stuff so I have to tell her when something "naked" is about to happen so she can cover her eyes (I have to do that with movies for her too). I don't let my young boys watch explicit sexual material but if they are OK with the violence then I'm OK with them watching it. Matthew (3 y.o.) only likes DBZ though so that's what we seem to end up watching most.

My dad was cool too. He always let me stay up late and watch scarey movies when I was a kid. We didn't have access to anime then, let alone even know of it's existence.

[Snowfox]

A lot of anime is for kids... You're just as bad as your parents if you generalize it as adult-only.

[Sideburnz]

Anime is for all ages, depending on the material. Parents are stupid when it comes to it just as most things they don't know what the hell they are talking about. For instance, I was watching inyuasha (i forget what episode it was) and she just happen to come into the living room as he was slaying a demon, all I know there was lots of blood. "What the hell are you watching?" she asked me. "You wouldn't understand", she walked away, saying whatever or something.

Parents can be ignorant sometimes.

[Snowfox]

I would have said the same thing if I saw someone watching Inuyasha.

[Hiltz]

Son, it's that time again where we have to discuss a rather uncomfortable subject, but your mother and I are concerned for your well being.

I see your into this "anime" phenomenon and we don't like it one bit.

Can't you be satisfied by watching the good-old fashion cartoons like Looney Tunes? I think your mature enough to watch it now.

No son of mine will be a foreign dog-loving communist not in this household! You either learn to appriciate the majority of shallow western cartoons that are provided by our fellow Americans or as loving parents we will take away the television altogether little mister!

Wife:Ted, maybe we should let our little champ watch whatever he wants to. I mean there's no harm in it.

Husband: No Susan!(slaps wife) We as parents have to remain in control and secure and shape his free will to our liking. There are rules and we must enforce them damn it! Susan, Don't you ever say such filthy slander and never EVER question my authority again. If you do then I'll be forced to stab and strangle you and dump your corpse into a land fill. Now go do your job and make us dinner.

[Snowfox]

And besides, you have new EXTREEEEEEME Looney Tunes.

[bigyellowlegoman]

I slapped on an episode of GitS the series when my dad was in the room, he just said,"Playing the ol' game again?" or something and I was like,"Dad, it's anime." and he was like,"Yeah, okay"(ie.,"I don't care")

As I was watching it my sister came into the room and was like,"I never liked those cartoons." I was like,"Why?" and she starts going on about some cartoon that used to be on called Ulysses or something, and how every episode was really weird and all the characters were the same. I've never heard of it.

My brother was telling me about how he rented out Wicked City when he was with my parents sometime, turned out it was pretty explicit.

[Twitch]

these keep getting odd, :laugh: good example of the american household there Hiltz...
Anyte, didn't they have Gigantor when you where growing up? :huh: my Dad use to watch that, but it is still more of a "cartoon anime" despite some scenes that involved guns, and robot fights (which looked more like 2 metal snowmen with jetpacks, trying to joust :D )...yeah, I love Gigantor

[Hiltz]

I slapped on an episode of GitS the series when my dad was in the room, he just said,"Playing the ol' game again?" or something and I was like,"Dad, it's anime."
My dad has done the same exact thing. :eek2:

[Bloodstar]

My parent's have never cared about the cartoons I watch but I've turned down requests to go out with them on a few occasions because I was watching anime. I get weird looks from my mom especially since she was never really into cartoons when she was little (but then I can see why).

[Hiltz]

Heheh, yeah that is definetly understandable from a parent's point of view.

Most parents I know didn't even watch old anime shows let alone know what anime stands for.Although, back then anime is no where near as popular as it is right now and frankly you can't escape it since it has literally taken over much of the American broadcasting of animated shows.

Obviously, some anime fans become noticably obsessive to the point where anime/manga no longer revolves around their lives, but are their lives. Isn't the appropriate word for someone who has this sort of lifestyle is an "otaku" ?

It's surprising to learn that many adults are interested in anime as well as western shows like the foul mouthed kids of South Park or the comedy of The Simpsons and Family Guy. Cartoons, or at least western cartoons used to be recognized as a "children entertainment" ,but we know all that has changed over the years.

I like anime just as much as the next fan, but in all honesty I'm kind of getting sick of hearing or reading the word "anime", it has become intoxicating.

[Faliat]

If your parents won't let you watch anime, just stick to watching Samurai Jack! Robot guts galore!
Of course, I ain't seen it in years...

My parents are different in their views on anime. My dad is fine about it and he enjoyed watching the Second Rennessance when I put it on one night for the whole family.

My mum said afterwards when she saw the DVD set that she thought it was too dark and that it wouldn't be a good idea for her to buy me it.

My sister likes it, she was addicted to it when we had cable. She couldn't miss a single episode of Shin Chan, Hamtaro, DBZ, Pokemon or Digimon.
When we got the .Hack OAV, she begged mum and dad to make time in their friday night to sit down and watch it with her.
I didn't like it when i saw it. So I just sat upstairs in my room and watched flash toons.

When I borrowed Akira from Spiritual_Cramp, I watched it on my own, in case if I wanted to show the rest of the family and some scenes were too dark like what my mum hated in Second Rennessance... They never got to see it.

My sister was curious when she saw the box and asked me if she could watch it. I told her calmly: "You'd hate it."
She didn't ask again when I told her about the guy taking an overdose of pills.

[Twitch]

Second Renaissance? like from the Animatrix...that was like the *counts on hand*...
third anime that I've ever rented, it was awesome...never mind that comment, if thats not what your talking about..:laugh:

[Steasaurus]

Second Renaissance was the better of the Animatrix IMO
I own far to much anime for me to consider trying to persuade anyone that my parents dissaprove. Fair enough I'm 21 now but I still live with my parents, it costs less money, but I haven't always been 21 and my large ammount of anime hasn't just recently appeared.
I've gotten everyone I've shown anime to interested in it. I showed my sister the first episode of love hina and she proceded to watch every episode in a marathon fashion. I showed my (then) girlfriend the first episode of chobits and she proceded to watch the entire series and then got upset when it was over because I had no more episodes, she went on to look for more anime to feed her needs. I showed a guy at university teh first episode of trigun and he liked it so much he founded the anime society and went on to show a lot of anime (including the rest of trigun) on a large screen in a lecture theatre. All three of the examples I've given were all people that were like "pfft cartoons are for kids" or "I don't want to read no dodgey cartoons"
I don't feel a need to force it onto my parents though. They've been quite relaxed as far as what pollutes my mind. When I was a kid they'd let me watch anything, the uncut version of Predator was always on in my room. My only gripe with them is that my step dad brought home a porn video for me saying that it'll probably be better than cartoon boobs while laughing. Would have been funny if I owned any hentai but the worst stuff I have includes the likes of wicked city, fist of the north star, and kekkou kamen (okay okay I know thats totally a hentai spoof) but anyway thanks dad, porn is always good :D

[Faliat]

Second Renaissance? like from the Animatrix...that was like the *counts on hand*...
third anime that I've ever rented, it was awesome...never mind that comment, if thats not what your talking about..:laugh:
Yeah. That one.

I'm just careful about what I watch with my parents. They have different views on some stuff.

Mum wouldn't let me watch Vanilla Sky, even though i was the age on the front of the box. 15.
Wheras dad's constantly saying we should all sit and watch the Punisher, an 18 rated movie. And we both sat together and watched Man on Fire.

Not anime, I know... but there's still the same range of audiences for it as well as live action.

[Professor Az]

I watch anime with my kids all the time. In fact, we've been an anime household since they were about 3 and 4 years old. Then again, I tend to talk to my kids, spend time with them playing AD&D, and don't blow them off when they show me high scores on (insert random video game name here), or tell me that they just beat (insert random video game name here).

Any meatsack can be a father. It takes a real man to be a dad. ;)

[Faliat]

Well, today we got the cable back. And as soon as possible, Lolomecha has Toonami on. Pokemon's showing right now... God damn it....

[Anyte]

Anyte, didn't they have Gigantor when you where growing up?

There was obviously more than a few anime when I was a kid but it wasn't something that we watched at home. I vaguely remember a few shows that may have been anime but everything was considered "cartoons". Anyway, we watched the cartoons my brothers wanted to watch and I lived an otherwise very isolated childhood.

I was not introduced to the term "anime" until I was already in my 30's. The only shows that I immediately recognized as having been anime was Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon - DB aired for a short time when I was 31 I think and Sailor Moon aired for some time when I was in my 20's. I don't ever remember seeing Gigantor.

[clintrussell]

my parents have never had a prob with me watching anime

[Steasaurus]

Put Go Nagai's Kekkou Kamen on and see if that changes... and it's not like it's full blow H but you could try that...

[K_x_uksami]

It really isn't a problem for me as I'm far too squeemish to watch the really violent anime series like Elfen Lied.

[Twitch]

..yep, Elfen Lied can be a tad graphic (btw, that was an understatement)
:D

these keep getting more and more interesting..

[flare60]

Considering theres a scene involving child molestation, the bodies ripped apart, and lets not forget the lovely scene on the beach were a commando gets tortured slowly.

Understatment thats for sure.

" Goes to read elfen lied the manga, wich is even more graphic "

[Steasaurus]

I now have an anime quest to begin... must purchase elfen lied O.O

[Hiltz]

Mmm torture... mmm decapitations... mmm child molestation - where do I sign up?

I watched the first episode of Elfen Lied and never wanted to see it again. I guess whatever floats your boat.

[FigureFour]

It's not really anime if it doesn't have a tenticle up someone's ass.

[Steasaurus]

lol I really have no interest in Elfen Lied. Some one mentioned it before and it got nothing but people going yuck... I believe you were one of them Hiltz. Although I'm all for experiencing something before labelling it I've decided to go by popular oppinion and avoid it. Plus I doubt I'd enjoy it at all since I prefer more soppy shyt with little or no violence O.O my god!! I'm a girl!!

[Zabur]

Yeah, I know what you guys mean.

Who would want to watch a deep heart-felt story such as the one in Elfen Lied when I could watch some Samurai Champloo and Pokemon. Wow, I'm glad you guys know which animes are worth watching and which are crap.

You know what?
I'm going to go back and want Toonami and Adult Swim because they know what's good, and since I'm to retarded to download anything and TV is my only outlet for Anime, I really don't have a choice.

Wow, I'm also gonna go watch G4, because those hot chicks who host the shows are so hot and they play videogames to, wow, it's amazing. Adam Sezler (sp?) is to smart for his own good, lawl.

ZOMFG, I'm gonna go watch some Naruto and Bleach, since they are FANTASTIC and offer to much to enhance my mind, wow, they are great. If they were real people, I would SO serve them orally!

*Please note, the above is bullshit. I believe that the majority of people in America who watch anime watch utter crap such as Samurai Champloo and that like. I also believe that Elfen Lied is one of if not THE best anime I've ever seen. If you are to shallow to actaully watch the anime and understand the story and meaning behind it, then don't bother commenting on. As a matter of fact, go back to watching shit like Ruroni Kenshin (sp?) since the action is so great. Don't bother watching any of these animes: Elfen Lief, Berserk, Ninja Scrolls, Ninja Scrolls 2, or Card Captor Sakura, because heaven knows, you would never want to watch anyhing good!*

Ok, back on topic. My parents don't give a shit what I watch. They aren't interested in watching it with me, but as long as I don't watching hentai in front of them, they don't give a rats ass.

GG.

[Steasaurus]

I quite like Card Captor Sakura... and I buy my anime.

[flare60]

I love reading and watching Elfen lied, it has a great storyline, and the author did a good job showing it in his art.

I like watching samurai champloo aswell, i like the mix they went with when creating it

As for the card captor sakura anime, avoid it if you can read the manga, and if you have to watch the anime, please watch the japanese version, the dubbed version literally got raped in every possible manner..........

*Please note, the above is bullshit. I believe that the majority of people in America who watch anime watch utter crap such as Samurai Champloo and that like. I also believe that Elfen Lied is one of if not THE best anime I've ever seen. If you are to shallow to actaully watch the anime and understand the story and meaning behind it, then don't bother commenting on. As a matter of fact, go back to watching shit like Ruroni Kenshin (sp?) since the action is so great. Don't bother watching any of these animes: Elfen Lief, Berserk, Ninja Scrolls, Ninja Scrolls 2, or Card Captor Sakura, because heaven knows, you would never want to watch anyhing good!*

Seriously why must you bash some of those anime series ? They are quite well made and written, theres a reason they are liked you know, and its not just idiots who dont see good stories.

I can agree that the Kenshin anime wasnt as good as the manga, in fact like card captor sakura i say read the manga instead.

[Aires]

Card Captor Sakura? The only thing memeroable about that were the costume and creature designs, sadly that is not a strong enough reason for me to watch even if i do enjoy reading manga more than anime.

I wouldnt think my family would approve of the content I read but Its Love Hina

Besides Kenshin wasnt a bad anime, age, voice acting, and animation wise, its no art peice, but i did enjoy the characters and i found myself wanting to see thier outcomes at the end of the series. Thats something I rarely do.

[Krieock]

Cardcaptor Sakura was the first anime I ever saw... I have a bit of a soft spot for it *sniff*, so awesome.
Never heard about Elfen Lied before... But I'll defiantely look into it.
Beserk, Ninja Scroll 1&2, Samurai Champloo, etc... are all good animes, and one persons opinion about whether an anime is good or not is irrelevent, because it's not up to anyone else to decide if you like an anime or not - it's the viewer that decides whether an anime is good for them.

Parents? My parent's wouldn't watch anime, lol.

[Hiltz]

I thought Samurai Champloo was alright, but nothing special.

The repetitive storyline dragged out up till the very end.

There was little to no character development and it didn't do the show any favors. Jin acts calm, Mugen acts fidgety, and Fuu always needs saving, it's always the same.

On top of that, there were no plot twists. Everything was typical and predictable( granted there are a few randomly bizarre episodes). That goes for the ending episode too and that was probably one of the more action-packed anticipated episodes. The 3 main characters are interesting in their own ways, but that can only go so far, at least in Samurai Champloo.

The combining of hip culture and the era in which the show takes place is an original and fun idea and the music is good (at least the opening & ending theme), but overall Samurai Champloo disappointed me.

I'm not a fan of Rurouni Kenshin. The art style bothered me when they showed Kenshin's exaggerated face looking all sharp and sketchy looking. The annoying baby talk about the importance of friendship made me want to vomit. The story plot consisted of enemies knocking on Kenshin's door and him having to fight them, been there done that. Although, I enjoyed watching the battles with Jin'e, Aoishi, and Makoto Shishio since they were the highlights of the show.

By the way, I think there's two ways to determine if an anime is good or not. The first is by your own personal opinion and the second is by the technical aspects.

Regarding your personal taste, if something doesn't appeal to you then your free to not have to watch it even if it is claimed to be a good anime.

My sister watched Princess Mononoke with me last night and said she liked it and she isn't an anime fan. My dad walked in and thought I was playing a game(Oh, dad your so oblivious).

Despite Paranoia Agent's list of troubles I loved it. My sister really liked the pink dog named Maromi. :D

[Tu[x]edo]

aww come on the show did jin some good. a quite swords man that gets laid in the middle of the season. lol but the battles were worth it. They were actually killing the people and it wasn't like Rurouni kenshin when he refused to kill except in the movie
-Samirai X- but Champloo is quick to violence and it's quite funny when it's suppose to be and serious when it's suppose to be.

[darc shadoe]

Is there any channel that shows animé on sky digital?
I mean, toonami has DBZ now and again, but I'm not a dbz fan, and it has, or had, Samurai Jack - dunno if that classes as animé, but Jack kicks ass.
Anyone? erm, the only animé me parents ever seen me watch would have been an episode of dbz when goku ( i think thats his name) was fightin some wierd evil alien dude called freeza (i think...) that was cool... but all the mindless chit-chat put me off it. Oh ye, the reaction was just what you would expect normally.

(btw I only read the first few posts... soz im too lazy =P)

[Hiltz]

Yes, that true. Samurai Champloo did make good use of its violence which is certainly a nice and much more realistic breather from the majority of hypocrite swordsman who fight to the death and don't kill their opponents.

Yes, Samurai Champloo is funny and serious. The problem I find with that is because the comedy and serious sides of Samurai Champloo became nauseating predictable and that it kind of took away some of the impact of it all. Samurai Champloo is fun to watch, but I personally think it is overrated. Heh, I wonder how many viewers think Mugen is a samurai just because he's skilled with a sword.

My mom commented on the music I was just playing on my computer -"Pushing the Sky" from Cowboy Bebop, she laughed with interest when she heard that it was from an anime show. Too bad my brother doesn't like it. :laugh:

[Zabur]

I really disliked Samurai Champloo. The only thing this anime had going for it was the first episode, which I have to admit kicked ass in more way than I could discribe. However, after that episode...it turned into the cliche wandering samurai anime. Nothing really reiginal going for it.

If they kept the action throughout the entire series, then it would be grat. I also wish they kept that scratch sound, heh.

As for Card Captor sakura (which I'm still watching right now), I don't like the story yet, I don't really like any character designed, and I don't like the quality of the animation. I do, however, love the characters. They are really easy to like and every entertaining to watch. Sakura is just to cute ^.^

[Aires]

dont tell me you dont like the costume that makes Sakura look like a big red fruit?

[Zabur]

Not really, heh. I think she looks cute in it though ^.^

[Bloodstar]

Zabur:

Wow. You do realize you could have made your point without bashing what others watch, and telling them what you think is good. And come on... you talk about these other shows yet you say Card Captor Sakura is good? I'm not saying its bad but its not any better than the shows you just mentioned.

Also thank you for turning this thread into a debate about what show is better...

[Zabur]

I can tell by your avatar that you are not worth arguing with.

[Bloodstar]

No, you're not worth arguing with because you still don't understand your opinions aren't the ultimate truth. You could have made your point without bashing every show everyone else watches. Also being a fan of the show doesn't hurt my credibility, only proves my point that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks.

[Zabur]

Actually, that's exactly what it means. If I don't like it, then it sucks. It's quite simple.

[Bloodstar]

An opinion is fine, but you were just being a moron and mocking everyone who is a fan of any of those shows.

[Twitch]

I loved Champloo, yet it still had it's flaws...Bloodstar, I don't think you should feel so threatened by zabur...he just disagreed with some shows...I agree that we should keep the original topic flowing, and leave out the "BLANK anime is so cool" "noo...you deusch BLANK is soo much better"

[flare60]

" Slaps everyone around with an old sammon , before throwing them in the pink teddy hell pit "

Rigth back to topic :

I was watching my Guyver anime dvd , when my mom sits down and says
" Why are you watching these cartoons, your 19 years old ! "

At that second, monster guts galore, she was like this for the rest of the day : O_o;

I watched the guyver when i was 10 years old the first time ^_^ should i tell ?

[Twitch]

...haha..thats great, i hate when people treat you like your either too old to watch these "cartoons" or you're too young to be watching such violent material :D
..it's a double edged sword for sure

[Xion Valkyrie]

First anime I watched was Doraemon when I was 5/6. Then I discovered the ultra violent Saint Seiya lol.

The manga is pretty grotesque too. I was 6/7 when I read the manga and got exposed to really bloody and gutsy battle sequences, and I turned out alright^^

[Bloodstar]

Bloodstar, I don't think you should feel so threatened by zabur... I'd like to point out that I am not threatened by Zabur. I don't know where you got that idea...

he just disagreed with some shows... I know he has legitimate complaints, but it was the way they were used, among other things he said.

Things Wrong with Zabur's Posts:
1. His opinion is right, anyone who disagrees is wrong.
2. We all watch Toonami and Adult Swim because they can do no wrong.
3. None of us watch or read anything that isn't shown on Cartoon Network.
4. We watch G4 because we wholeheartedly agree with Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb is hawt.
5. We think every anime we watch is perfect in every way(also see #4).
6. Bloodstar has Kenshin as his avatar, therefore he is not worth arguing with(see #s 1, 2, and 5).

Now that we have the list, I should tell you I'm not hurt by anything he said. I also know that I could easily ignore posts like this. The point though is that he is being disrespectful of others opinions (as well as making assumptions) and hopefully pointing out his stupid remarks will make him realize that and stop posting comments like these.

Also I know he made a little disclaimer that "the above is bullshit", but in the same paragraph reinforces #s 1, 2, and 5.

Edit: Sorry for taking the thread back off topic but I just wanted to make my thoughts clear.

[Twitch]

:D...Ok, I'm glad you handled that so well :thumbsup: ...that was fine, thanks for clarifying..

...Let's keep these stories flowing people...

[moof]

hmm. I don't really watch anime anymore (since 90% of it is totally utter garbage anyways and always has been), but I remember when I did and my parents were first introduced to it.

My dad took it in stride, and my mom freaked (we were watching Akira).
Neither or them really took it as something that would be readily assumed by our culture to some degree years later.

Years later right before I moved away from anime I had been watching Cowboy Bebop, and my dad walked in. He was never a fan of anime, but he sat down and watched all of the episode and two others, and walked away after it was finished.
I had been collecting the DVDs so I had most of the series by then (think I had the last DVD to go). Anyways one day I returned home from a night out on the town, and found him watching the rest of the DVDs by himself with a bowl of popcorn.

Since then we generally go to see all the Myazaki films together whenever they come out (if I'm in town, which I was the last two films).
My mom still doens't really give that much of a shit, and doesn't really know it exists.


Anyways, neither me or my dad really give two shits about the mass anime market, but it's nice to see that he knows it exists and we can connect about the issue, unlike a lot of people out there with cartoonaphobic parents.

[pootermobile]

my mother wouldnt let me watch looney tunes because it was to violent, but I distinctly remember watching "predator" with my dad when I was like, 3.

and now he wont let me watch cowboy bebop. hmmmmmmmm, double standard, no?

[Hiltz]

ColdKodiak,I thought it was cool how your dad surprisingly watched CowboyBebop by himself.

pootermobile, your mom seems like a looney tune herself. :unibrow:
Looney Tunes teaches us to never buy a product without taking a receipt along with it. If you don't then those darn Acme Products will literally blow up in your face.

There's more to appriciate about cartoons than just the ones from Disney.Although, there are still stupid cartoons (even ones meant for adults).

[Steasaurus]

I've just remembered the very first anime I ever saw o_O I was like 6 or 7 and my parents let me choose a video at the video rental place. I chose something that started and ended live action and was about a bunch of kids in like a school building in a war zone or something but then it went all anime and had large gundam like mecha. I think I enjoyed it but being so young my mother watched with me... then some one said bastard, her face dropped and then the killing began. We watched it all the way through but she was definately suprised.
Before just now I thought the first anime I seen was cyber city or fist of the north star when they used to be on channel 4 when I was like 12 or something... actually I think I have a mecha anime from when I was a kid somewhere O.O with like a base behind a waterfall and it had ufos... triple triangle or something... ah who knows? I could check but I'm lazy.

[Anyte]

I believe that the majority of people in America who watch anime watch utter crap such as Samurai Champloo and that like. I also believe that Elfen Lied is one of if not THE best anime I've ever seen. If you are to shallow to actaully watch the anime and understand the story and meaning behind it, then don't bother commenting on. As a matter of fact, go back to watching shit like Ruroni Kenshin (sp?) since the action is so great. Don't bother watching any of these animes: Elfen Lief, Berserk, Ninja Scrolls, Ninja Scrolls 2, or Card Captor Sakura, because heaven knows, you would never want to watch anyhing good!*


All that ranting because someone doesn't like Elfen Lied? People are entitled to different opinions. From what I've read (other than here) Elfen Lied doesn't seem the least bit interesting. As a matter of fact, Beserk doesn't interest me and I thought Card Captor Sakura was quite dull. I would never claim the anime I choose to watch is "better" than what you choose to watch though. I would never jump down your throat and insult you about your choices either. Since you can't possibly hazard what most people watch you really shouldn't comment on it.

I happen to like The Hakkenden, which I think has an interesting and rather different story than most anime, but I don't know any other people that enjoy it or are even that familiar with it. Perhaps I should claim anyone that hasn't seen it to be shallow and too lazy to understand the meaning of the story, or perhaps too stupid or too immature to understand it.

You shouldn't take, or make, someone's elses opinion of something you like so personally.

[gmpilot]

Honestly, I would prefer my parents thinking anime is stupid kiddie cartoons. I mean hell, half the anime/manga I watch has the f word numerous times and at least one violent/sexual scene. But then again, I wouldn't care if my mom found out: one of her favorite movies of all time is kill bill vol. 1. Anyways, I'm in college, lol. No worries!

[Hiltz]

Well, the good thing about parents not caring much for anime/manga is that they won't force further censorsip on the violence and swearing and what not that helps make watching anime and reading manga fun. Unfortunetly, all that negative attitude is being driven towards our violent video games. For the time being that is.

I hate parents who try to take the out of everything. :mad:

[Twitch]

Hiltz, I totally agree with your last post...
and on the negative influence track...watch This (http://fat-pie.com/thechildtatsmelfunny.htm)

...I hate most censorship, it's just as bad as propaganda...because it is..
Unless, you're the one ruling..then that would be fine ;) :D

[crab]

Pretty much everyone I know thinks anime and manga is for kids. It's worse in the UK, because all you really get is the kids' anime (on terrestrial, anyway.)

[Steasaurus]

Regarding the TV thing, it never used to be like that and on occasion channel four shows some good anime late at night... no chance right now though because it's full of that big brother shyt!!
Also channel 5 showed the Animatrix spread over several nights back when the Matrix:revolutions hit the cinema.
Regarding everyone thinking it's for kids, most people I know are aware of anime and that it is not just for kids... in fact I know a hotel manager that has an awfully large collection. I used to drink with him until he got a job in a city near my town but not near enough for the journey to the pub. Plus that was when I did drink.

[Dwee dee(3d)]

I used to watch toonami (back in the cell saga) all the anime shows back then were waay cooler than the ones I've seen lately...

[Spiritual_Cramp]

My parents don't bat an eyelid to anything I watch, Hell, my mother even sat down and watched Saló with me.

[TheKosmonaut]

My mom commented on the music I was just playing on my computer -"Pushing the Sky" from Cowboy Bebop, she laughed with interest when she heard that it was from an anime show. Too bad my brother doesn't like it. :laugh:

Pushing the sky is an awesome song. You're a bebop fan I presume?

[Hiltz]

Yes, definetly a Bebop. :)

[gmpilot]

Psht, piano black is the best song from cowboy bebop.

[Twitch]

yup, Piano Black is good...

*edit*
DAMN, the new Forum "coloring" and design is da shiznit :thumbsup:

[bigyellowlegoman]

Oh, man, Cowboy Bebop, it's just fantastic. Can anyone recommend anything that's as emotional, action packed and just plain cool as Bebop?

[Spiritual_Cramp]

"Oh, man, Cowboy Bebop, it's just fantastic. Can anyone recommend anything that's as emotional, action packed and just plain cool as Bebop?"

Shadow Star (The manga is better than the Anime)

[Aires]

Yeah! Super Milk chan or Ai Shimai or Bible Black

[Steasaurus]

lol pervert...

[Hiltz]

Yeah! Super Milk chan or Ai Shimai or Bible Black

The perfect family shows.

[McGarnacle]

My parents don't really give a shit what I watch...\o/ they think anime is crap, without watching it.

[Mika]

Yeah! Super Milk chan or Ai Shimai or Bible Black

Sadly he isnt kidding

[tmvhacker]

was watching some animes(forgot which one?) and my grandparents were around. hhmm, didnt even know old people could see anime....let alone see all the fighting and bloody stuff... :huh:

[TheKosmonaut]

The animation is completely different, and the premises and story/style/feel have nothing in common, but Jin-Roh jerked the same amount of tears from me as Bebop did when it comes to the endings. Enough so that I bought the Jin-Roh special edition just to see the creator interviews. They were especially insightful, so I'm glad I got the sp. ed. Also, it comes with the sound track, which, although dreary mostly throughout, is a fine piece of music-especially the ending theme.

Another fantastic anime movie, though not really that emotionally touching, is Akira. I think since Akira was the staple in Japanese animation in the US, every anime fan should own a copy in their household as a tribute. Even if you don't like biker action, way too many explosions, and out-there scifi stories, OWN IT OR I WILL EAT YOUR FACE!

[Steasaurus]

The bebop ending sucked... every ep I watched of bebop left me wanting more then you get to the end and it just rubs it in your face that they aren't making no more. Basts!

[cappsdragon]

i watch hentai with my mom and step-dad (angel blade) it grossed my mom out alittle lol my step-dad liked it EWWWWW!!!!! but that is just that. my mom and step-dad like amine and Family guy and stuff like that well to the are brain dead POT HEADs but it was fun to watch it with them of course we made my little bro go to bed after the 3rd warning but lol i was the "family time" we needed lol

[Hiltz]

The bebop ending sucked.

That is blasphemy sir! :runaway:


Your certaintly entitled to your own personal opinion about the show's ending ,but don't you think it was one of the mostest surprising and emotional endings? Or maybe I already know your answer. :shock:

[gmpilot]

Dude, capps, you're 18 and you watch hentai with your mom and step dad? That's creepy, man. That's really creepy.

(And the cowboy ending was neither surprising, nor bad. I expected it, and it was well done.)

[Hiltz]

Yes, watching hentai with your parents I find to be more disturbing than watching real hardcore porn with your parents.

Strange that it is casual in some households. :crazy:

[Twitch]

:laugh: ..that is quite disturbing news capps...real disturbing :poke:

...thanks a lot for sharing :ugh:

[akaast]

It's like when I stash all my comic-books away when friends/girls arrive =P

edit: replying to the first post :runaway:

[Faliat]

My sister nearly got dad to get her a manga when we were in the Virgin megastore in Buchannan St Glasgow, wish I was that confident in everything I bought. Anything I've bought recently has really let me down, although the CD Set and XBox lightgun I got today were my dad's purchases... It's made me miserable all day that the CDs sucked and the lightgun ain't compatable with any of my FPSs.
DAMN YOU LOUSY JUDGEMENT!

[Gako]

I hate it when people say anime is for kids...uuhh, crazy naked psychic girl killing off security, rippin their heads off, arms, rippin them in half, using dead bodies for cover from bullets...(Elfen Lied) for kids? If thats for kids, then I must be doin somethin wrong here...Damn it are you right

[Battousai]

i am probably going to piss everyone off b/c i didn't read every little post only the first page, but in japan the animation business can be likened to our hollywood. they know they have shitty actors and actresses so they continue the anime business. also 80% of their print is manga. also the strengthen the "anime is for kids" cliche....japanese animation didn't start until after ww2 when disney came into view. that is why the eyes are so big. but also b/c animation is such an enormous industry in japan they create other things to entertain others as well. those are the things that do not reach the americas b/c they only want cliche shows. savy.

[Twitch]

:huh:...you lost me there
..*rereads Battousai's post*
Blimey, he has a point..But, I don't think all the shows that reach America are as cliche as shit like (please don't flame me for this) TEEN TITANS...cliche expressions and figures (overused is more like it) and the unoriginal plot's and overall terrible character designs...American animation (with exceptions to some 3-d) suck...they suck a lot

[Battousai]

yeah...now that i read it, it is terribly typed but you get the point...thats all i wanted.

[Faliat]

:huh:...you lost me there
..*rereads Battousai's post*
Blimey, he has a point..But, I don't think all the shows that reach America are as cliche as shit like (please don't flame me for this) TEEN TITANS...cliche expressions and figures (overused is more like it) and the unoriginal plot's and overall terrible character designs...American animation (with exceptions to some 3-d) suck...they suck a lot
Please dear GOD don't let my sister see that post... it could reawaken the evils among her faulty wiring! (AKA, driving her off her nut!)

She's a Teen Titans addict a total full blown ADDICT!

[Steasaurus]

puffy ami yumi pwnz j00!!!1
ahem sorry... I'll watch teen titans purely for the theme.

[Hiltz]

America goes by the saying: "What ever sells".

[batang sira ulo]

lol i almost got caught watching hentai thou..

[Steasaurus]

haha

[Twitch]

and What is up with all the anime shirts at HoT ToPiC (<dumbest and most imperialistic store to ever open)
they have Helsing, Champloo, Kenshin, Trigun, and an I LOVE ANIME shirt...(goes back to imperialism) and then they have the nerve/stupidity, to throw in like 5 TEEN TITANS T-shirts...it makes me sad...so now i just design and silkscreen my own clothing :P

oh, and Faliat...tell your sister that I hope she gets well soon :laugh:

[*_*flashies*_*]

sucks cus i have an older brother, younger sister and parents, my dad was an amazing artist, (sadly doesnt come through with me lol). Yet all my drawings i end up starting at 11pm because nobody in the family would understand really what and why im drawing anime ect. so therefore that carries across, ive managed to see an episode of trigun but apart from that its only really been pokemon and dragonball z when i was little younger. I also really enjoyed it, and sadly no-one would really understand my reasoning for watching any of it and i would get kinda teased by my brother lol and he is much much bigger than me.

oh and BTW i know i kinda strayed off topic but worst of all is when i say anything at school about maybe drawing anime, ppl instantly think 'hentai' it really pisses me off

[Jeanox]

My parents are closed to the idea of anime. I showed them mononoke and they just thought it was wierd...which is conceivable because it really is.

My older brother always hated it. He has a real bias against anything Japanese/eastern, so it was no surprise when he started bashing me left or right for liking it.

What first drew me to anime was the fact that it was animated but also had an ongoing story/point that went beyond your everyday silliness/stupidity.

Anyways, I started watching anime, and my younger siblings slowly warmed up to it. We all are fans now, but we use due caution. All anime sucks until proven otherwise. It just helps us weed through the crap.

[*_*flashies*_*]

lol exactly the same sorta scenario with me and my brother, yet of all the ppl that i know in my life i dont know many ppl who like it apart from me lol

[Twitch]

All anime sucks until proven otherwise. It just helps us weed through the crap.

I totally agree..good theory, I remember when i was like 4-or-5, watching Sailor Moon (<that sounded kinda queer :squint: ) and i enjoyed it..didn't understand the plot one bit, but it was interesting....then our church heard about the "satanic Crystals" and "witches" found in the show and made a big deal about, so my parents didn't really encourage me or my (2 at the time) sisters to watch it...yahh...

...I just find anime a super cool genre over american shows..dunno why, might be the intensity, or style...I love watching it...but from now on I am gonna stick my art to realism...or semi-realism :D

[Jonzai]

I draw it, I watch it. But I don't expect my parents to encourage me or discourage me. I don't bother showing my work, or my anime to them. If they take an interest then that's ok with me. But at the moment they don't show an interest so I leave it that way.

I don't want to force anything on anyone.

[Snowfox]

All anime sucks until proven otherwise. It just helps us weed through the crap.

That's true for all media entertainment.

[Krasnoznamonec]

lol I really have no interest in Elfen Lied. Some one mentioned it before and it got nothing but people going yuck.I suggest watching at lest 6-8 episodes before considering it anime not worth watching.

Not watching Elfen Lied would be like leaving out pleasures of watching film called Schindler's List because it has boobies and death in it.

I watched the first episode of Elfen Lied and never wanted to see it again. I guess whatever floats your boat.You missed a really good storie.

Elfen lied brought the same saddness and the feeling that something heavy was put on your chest. I get that feeling only when watching Shindler's List or war veterans tell their life stories.

[Faliat]

Never watched Elfen Lied, guess not watching it would be like avoiding watching Lost because it was guys getting sucked into jet turbines and dead bloody pilots in trees and women in their underwear on the beach... And I like Lost because of stuff like the first two things I mentioned.

*Thinks about jet turbine incident in The Incredibles*

[Krasnoznamonec]

Exactly. Same goes for food.

That thing on the plate may look like it's pile of crap but it may turn out tastier than you we're expecting.

I haven't seen Lost. Is it a movie or another anime? Worth watching?

Elfen Lied has the most amount of blood in the first and i think in the last episodes. Other than that the flow of red animated blood isn't that high. About 2-5 people die in every episode.

So the amount of bodies lowers from the 24 ragdoll deaths in first episode.

[K_x_uksami]

Not watching Elfen Lied would be like leaving out pleasures of watching film called Schindler's List because it has boobies and death in it.

From what I've heard, that series would give someone like me PTSD with a side of nightmares and fear of the manga style. Not everyone can handle horrific levels of violence. The blood, the guts, the disembowelment, it's all too much for people like me with weak stomachs.

[Faliat]

I haven't seen Lost. Is it a movie or another anime? Worth watching?
Neither. It's a live action drama series. It aired in the UK on Wednesday. Raked in at least 60 million viewers that night. I think it's great. Even though the polar bear in the second episode was really fake looking. Could tell it was animatronic easily... Still great.

[Krasnoznamonec]

K_x_uksami: So how do you handle films like Alien or Predator?

To those who seen the series(All 13 episodes). What do you think about it? I always thought that if you take the ethical boundries society has inforced on us. You would become like lucy. Add the mental pain and 6-8 years of torturing and i would totaly understand ripping bodies in halfs no matter who they are or how innocent they seem to be.

[Zabur]

SPOILERS

I've seen it.

It is my favorite anime. The story of Nyu/Lucy is amazing. All the characters come to life and none of them are plain. Each character has their back story, if it's the little girl who was molested as a child and ran away after her mother chose her sick demented step fatherr over her, or if it's Lucy, who went through years of torment because she had horns (which I thought were pretty cute by the way -.-)

Each character had a horrific back story, which I believe to be true to real life. Nobodies life is perfect, we all have out secrets that we never want to tell anybody.

Character names/information:
Lucy: Main character. She is a diclonius, which means she has the ability to control invisable arms that sprout from he back.
Nyu: She is the alter-ego if Lucy. She can't remember anything, cannot even speak. All she could say is "Nyu".
Nana: She is another diclonius. However, she was sent by her father to kill Lucy. She fails and ends up loving with the "family". Her ignorance of the world is shown when she burns thousands of dollars (lots of Yen) to make a fire to keep warm in the middle of the night. -.-
Mayu: She was molested by her step-fathers and abondoned by her mother. She was homeless and her only companion was her pet dog. She moves in with the "family" shortly after introduced in the series.
Kouta: He is a sort of father of the "family". He is the one who takes is Nyu, Nana, and Mayu after seeing them alone and homeless.
Yuka: She is Koutas cousin. She has fallen in love with Kouta. She is very jealous of all the women in the house who are close to Kouta.
Kurama: He is the one in charge of the Diclonius project. Where Lucy and Nana escaped from.

I believe that Lucy was the embodiment of prejudice. her simple difference turned the entire world against her. This forced her to use her "difference" for self-preservation. However, I also believe that she went to far in believing that she should destroy all mankind.

Nyu, on the other hand, was the embodiment of innocence. I believe that her lack of fear while beng nude expresses this greatly. She fears nothing, and thinks that no one is out there to hurt her.

Now, Nana, on the other hand, in my mind, is the definition of trust. She trusts that everyone has good in them, and that everyone has her best interest at heart. This is shown through her trust in her "father" who tells her to kill, and allows her to be tortured while she is no being killed. Also, I believe that she is right. In the end of everything, every character ends up doing what is right, even her "father" when he lets her live when he was ordered to kill her.

Mayu, I believe, is a result of a path that Lucy could have chosen. Instead of seeking revenge on those who hurt her (like Lucy did), she ran away. She still believes that most people are good at heart, and it shows to be true thought the series. This character is somewhat the opposite of Lucy.

Kouta is the only character I really didn't care for. He seemed kinda boring. His story is that, when he was young, his father and little sister were murdered. This knowledge seems to be wiped from his memory (he does this him self) until he meets the person who killed his family.

Yuka is Koutas cousin. She is the reason Koutas family get killed (nobody but you knows this). She embodies loneliness. She is always alone, unable to express her true feelings to Kouta. She sometimes get jealous when Nyu and Kouta get close. She always seems to be alone.

Kurama is the last major characters of the series. He is in charge of the department of the government that is in charge of controlling Lucy and other that are like her (diclonius). He is the one who Nana believes to be her father. I really don't like him until the final episode, when he understands how he has been leading a false life.

Anyways, enough of my blabbling. Watch it if you havn't. It's amazing and should be viewed by all.

*NOTE*
Watching the first episode and going "ZOMFG BOOBIES AND BLOODZ!!! EBILL!!!" will make you miss out on one of the best animes ever made.

*EDIT*
Added a charactcer name/information thingey ^.^

[Krasnoznamonec]

Zabur you have good points but i consider some of the stuff you posted to be spoilers

Watching the first episode and going "ZOMFG BOOBIES AND BLOODZ!!! EBILL!!!" will make you miss out on one of the best animes ever made.I totaly agree with you.

I'll probebly PM you to chat about everything and what some stuff meant.

[Zabur]

Noted, i'll add a spoiler thingey!

yeah, sure PM any time. I won't be home for a few hours though, going for a job interview...yay -.-

[Hiltz]

It's a shame it didn't appeal to me. :sleep:

[Zabur]

Yup.

[Faliat]

Uhhh.... Don't sound so good now. Sounds too cheesy.

[Zabur]

That's just what I got out of it. Krasnoznamonec got something else out of it, you can tell since he asked me to explain something to him that I thought.

I really suggest watching it. It's only 13 episodes long.

[K_x_uksami]

K_x_uksami: So how do you handle films like Alien or Predator?

I don't handle them. I avoid anything I hear is that violent. I accidently saw a screenshot from an eroguro type of thing and couldn't sleep for days after that.

[chain2treechick]

sorry if its already been said cuz i didn't read all 7? pages, but this is a great thread. agree with hiltz about the sickening over-use of the word "anime", esp. by the new york times. my god. did anyone else read that article a few weeks back on elfen lied?(the one with the very large semi-nude pic). anyway, it was cleverly titled "Mean Girls" (haha! ackak...gag.) and goes on to belittle anime and its strange new phenomenon with suggestive killer young girls. ug...

this one time i was watching bebop, jupiter jazz part 1 (the uncut dvd version mind ye) while my mom's new boyfriend was at home, and i thought i'd be out of site in another room with the doors half shut when he just decides to waltz in and start watching. well, anyway, faye's sensuality with gren? can be a fantastic guide for a newcomer into the wonderful world of anime. god...then, o my here comes a full shot of a guy with boobs stepping out of the shower to faye. i mean, of all the episodes!!!
he still looks at me strangely....

[Twitch]

I totally remeber that episode :poke:
or on Waltz for Venus, where they have those 2 guys....actually that was kind of funny :D

Chain2treechick, I missed that article...why do they do that, like all the time, then they (< the media) always finds stories of some kind of incestual pedophillia/illegal hentai bust, and then they just keep saying "other anime..." "anime is..." and they just run with a story of a couple pervs, to a story of why these japanese influences are dangerous...

[chain2treechick]

omg i just typed this whole thing and it froze!!!!!!.....again then...


Chain2treechick, I missed that article...why do they do that, like all the time, then they (< the media) always finds stories of some kind of incestual pedophillia/illegal hentai bust, and then they just keep saying "other anime..." "anime is..." and they just run with a story of a couple pervs, to a story of why these japanese influences are dangerous...

o god knows why! i keep saving the articles and i still have this one posted up so i can give you a few quotes from it (and btw the picture beside from being a tad showy really is gorgeous, [tho of course not to the average american or parent for that matter]) i was also highly dissapointed with the way they handled howl's moving castle.

but anyway, here:

"its a cliche that Japanese animation is populated by big-eyed, big-breasted little girls. but in anime's strangest new trend, these often hyper-sexualized moppets are being turned into killing machines. several recent television series...focus of innocent girls who have undergone deadly transformations"

it then goes on to give a pointless and biased plot summary of Saikano. then, of course, Gunslinger Girl. then elfen lied:

"Lucy...The voluptuous teenager, pictured at right, has cute little cat's ears, and apair of invisible hands that she uses to rip her victims apart. she shifts from a cringing innocent who can say only "nyu" to an articulate killer and back again for no apparent reason. the opening of "elfen lied" features the appealing image of a twitching, severed hand Lucy tore off one of her guards. (Lucy spends much of the show's opening episode completely naked, an example of the gratuitous nudity called "fan service.")"

then:

"[apparently] plenty of viewers are thanking heaven for brutally violent, sexually provocative little girls."
-Charles Solomon

so intrigued was i that i looked up some of Solomon's other articles online and the great majority deal with anime (and are either just bad or poor and pointless plot summaries)

[Krasnoznamonec]

chain2treechick: Meaby i missed it. What is exactly your stand on Elfen Lied?.

I thought the gore and the nudeness we're totaly necessery. I could come up with lots of reasons why, but different people will see different things in this anime.

Solomon is a twat.

Uhhh.... Don't sound so good now. Sounds too cheesy.It had it's moments of cheesiness. But thats because they tried to stick a little comedy in it. Witch i thought spoiled the experiance a little.

[Twitch]

Solomon is a twat.

It had it's moments of cheesiness. But thats because they tried to stick a little comedy in it. Witch i thought spoiled the experiance a little.


I definetly agree with you on those 2 points..I don't see why they couldn't have left it dark and brooding...I think the one anime that pulled off disturbing/brooding, and comic relief would be Evangelion...which reminds me of a time when I was at the Library, watching an Evangelion music video..with a lot of the goryer scenes, and some guy was like.." is that Gundam?"

.."no, this is Evangelion..a much better show"

it was just awkward to see that some of the best anime ever are often overlooked because of other shows...so they're treated like "underground" stuff..just kinda irked me that's all :huh:

[velcro animal]

We were watching Evangelion once and one of my roomates walks in with his entire family...I mean ENTIRE FAMILY (mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, a bunch of brothers and sisters, none of which really speak English by the way) during the scene where Ausuka's laying in the bathtub contemplating where things went wrong. It was awkward to say the least.

[Steasaurus]

hahaha they used to put eva on at like 6am here and I got up one time to go to work and bang there it was... I was regularly late.

[Twitch]

:laugh: that's funny 5te

yours too Velcro Animal...hahahaha

I bet theres a lot of awkward stories dealing with Evangelion...:D

[Krasnoznamonec]

Possible Spoilers in this post.

I don't see why they couldn't have left it dark and brooding...I think the one anime that pulled off disturbing/brooding, and comic relief would be EvangelionYep. I found Nye to be a little to much repetitive from other anime shows.

They could have left lucy's second personality a little less apparent. So it would be harder to notice who is who. Something similar to people snaping for no reason during war. That way it could be harder to understand lucy, and why she acts that way. They could have made Nye mute without any recognition of her past memories. Not make her like one year old child.Altho i dont know would the story go for better or worst in this situation.

I watched ninja scroll with my friend and his mom. She acted cool. Like the story and disliked the action in a way. We found Ninja scroll VHS at our local library. Awsome for libraries to have movies like that.

Don't judge a book by it's cover. Same goes for anime.

[chain2treechick]

[QUOTE=Krasnoznamonec]chain2treechick: Meaby i missed it. What is exactly your stand on Elfen Lied?.

I thought the gore and the nudeness we're totaly necessery. I could come up with lots of reasons why, but different people will see different things in this anime. [QUOTE]

i personally haven't seen more than trailers and reviews, (which do make it out to be quite awesome mind you) and very much want to see it.
nevertheless, a point i would like to make is simply that (in most anime) extreme gore, nudity, and violence have very real and very profound truths if not a truly deep story and message behind them. (compared to the use of gore, nudity, and violence in many american films in which the point is that there is no point~ simply to arouse or entertain.)
a very real and very perhaps shocking anime to an ignorant viewer can make for an incredible work of art.

[Krasnoznamonec]

i would like to make is simply that (in most anime) extreme gore, nudity, and violence have very real and very profound truths if not a truly deep story and message behind them. (compared to the use of gore, nudity, and violence in many american filmsThis point is really being missed or intentionaly ignored by those who oppose anime shows.

They also seem to think that if it's animated it has to be made for children and brought down to Disney standards.

Glad to hear that more people have similar views about gore and nudity.

http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/main.asp
Check the link i provided you with. The whole site is a big joke.

Those who want to censore anime, are the same people that place REBA(Makes your brains rot) as the fourth best family TV show.

[K_x_uksami]

Man, this weak stomach really is holding me back. I think I'll just read the works of philosophers who address the issues mentioned in Elfen Lied, probably safer psychologically.

[Snowfox]

I'm suprised that link Kras gave didn't rank Will & Grace as the number one bad show- maybe they thought it'd be too obvious.

[Krasnoznamonec]

TheSnowfox you need to see Reba to actualy understand how cruel and missleading that site is.

Parents Television Council Publications
"because our children are watching"

This makes me sick. They try to suggercoat everything what is showed on telly. I'm guesing that they think that all the bad things will end if you just take out everything that goes against their policies and replace it with god.

I just noticed that they have video game review section. So i'm going to check it out.

Their whole site is like Flanders family. Only that it triest to empose it's views on us normal people.

[Twitch]

...give us a link if you find something special there kras...

this is starting to be really interesting :)

[Hiltz]

In cases like that people can be so paranoid.

[Krasnoznamonec]

...give us a link if you find something special there kras...Meaby it's because it's 7:13 here. But can you explain what your trying to say.

[Twitch]

..um, if you find something on the video games section in that site, that you find interesting (i'm too lazy to do this :P )....could you please give us a link :huh:

[chain2treechick]

http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/main.asp
Check the link i provided you with. The whole site is a big joke.

how utterly bizarre...
its truly scary that people like that exist in this world. my god

[Zabur]

ahaha, I like how the put bernie mac at the end. I bet they were thinking "Oh shit, we need a black show also, put that it, they are black."

[Twitch]

lmao ..that sounds extremely plausible hahaha...

[K_x_uksami]

Before I even think of watching Elfen Lied, I think I will have to spend some time developing a resistance to such horrific violence (not sure how I would do that, but oh well) if it is indeed as good as they say.

[Krasnoznamonec]

um, if you find something on the video games section in that site, that you find interesting ....could you please give us a linkAfter furyher research i have found that they are getting most of their game reviews from gamecritics.com. Altho those that they are making themselfs are really bad.

my godThere is no god.

I bet they were thinking "Oh shit, we need a black show alsoYour probebly right. Bernie seems out of place on that list.

I will have to spend some time developing a resistance to such horrific violence (not sure how I would do that, but oh well)I suggest going on a trip to Afghanistan/Iraq/Chechenia

if it is indeed as good as they say.Your the one to decide it. You may like it or you may not. But you have to watch it to decide.

[Zabur]

Your the one to decide it. You make like it or you may not. But you have to watch it to decide.

Yes, and don't look at the nudity as nudity. It will ruin it for you.

[Twitch]

Yes, and don't look at the nudity as nudity. It will ruin it for you.


I think you mean don't look at the Nudity, as sexual nudity...I think that sounds right :huh:

that ^ brings me to another point, almost all anime (don't flame me for this either) has nudity, but hardly any of it is sexual...then, other people who have never seen anime, get all weirded out by the idea of some naked "cartoon" as if they never realized that these characters do have naked bodie's underneath..I think that's what brings depth to some shows..especially to bring across a point :D

[K_x_uksami]

Yes, and don't look at the nudity as nudity. It will ruin it for you.

Nudity doesn't bother me at all. What I'm worried about is the intense violence. I don't see how it is possible to withstand some of it without some major trauma.

[chain2treechick]

There is no god.

well said

[flare60]

The violence in Elfen lied isnt half of what you can actully witness at a news channel or a documentary of a warzone.

Thats true carnage.

Dont whine about the violence or nudity in comics, becouse a book can be equally gory, Hell, lord of the rings was alot more violent then what the movies actully showed to people.

[smilinghitman]

My mother took off a year ago with all our Tax refund money or whatever...

And she went to Japan to watch the Yankees play.

Anyways, she comes back with a friggin Manga for me. Damn thing was Hentai.
So The thing with my parents and Anime...is that they don't really care.

[Krasnoznamonec]

SmilingHitman: 1. I like your name 2. Your parents rock as much as mine.

[K_x_uksami]

The violence in Elfen lied isnt half of what you can actully witness at a news channel or a documentary of a warzone.

I've heard that it has scenes consisting of nothing but storms of blood and guts exploding. I'm not whining or calling for censorship, I'm just saying that it is a huge risk of psychological "trauma".

[flare60]

I've heard that it has scenes consisting of nothing but storms of blood and guts exploding. I'm not whining or calling for censorship, I'm just saying that it is a huge risk of psychological "trauma".

Its ink on paper, the only way to get trauma from such an event is if you were sitting in the middle of it in REALITY.

I can admit that the first time you look at a painting or comic that has such seens you feel abit pale, but thats only for about 2 , 3 min and after that you wont really flinch.

[Krasnoznamonec]

I've heard that it has scenes consisting of nothing but storms of blood and guts exploding. I'm not whining or calling for censorshipYes the first episode has about first 10 minutes of people ripped apart by Lucy.

Censorship is never ever ever a thing to be considered. Because of that people loved "The bomb", Didn't opose wars and many other things witch would be considered pure madness in our time.

I'm just saying that it is a huge risk of psychological "trauma".I'm not a doctor in this field so i don't know anything about how ElfenLied could effect a person.

It's just that people like me find that people that are effected a lot miss out a lot of good movies. But if it can tr4umatize (http://www.traum4tized.com/) a person i have to say that it is fully your decision to watch it or not. Our words should meen nothing when we're talking about your mental health.

Baah. It's evening and it's really hard to explain what i'm trying to say here because i am very tired.

[Hiltz]

People are fascinated by blood, sex and violence.

People getting their heads torn off from their bodies in a bloody chaotic mess.
Annoying nude female creatures naked.

Been there done that.

A responsible and mature viewer would look into what they are about to watch instead of going in blindly and not expecting that level of horrific and explicit material.

[Krasnoznamonec]

Annoying nude female creatures naked.Isn't ennoying as long as it's lucy.

done that.When?

A responsible and mature viewer would look into what they are about to watch instead of going in blindly and not expecting that level of horrific and explicit material.You can watch Das Boot or you can watch Everybody loves Raymond. It's your choise. If your emotional and are effected with this tuff you better be prepered.

[Hiltz]

I've seen worse stuff in real tv shows than compared to animated fatalities.

Besides, Ninja Scroll showed a head decapitation and arm decapitations. A demon literally ripped a guy's arm off and drank the blood spewing from the arm and you could see all the gory detail. Heck, the movie Akira showed one of the main character's guts spewing out of his body. So watching people get decapitated in Elfen Lied isn't anything new to me.

[Aires]

meh, Demon beast invasion is less traumatic.


Seriously though, Im hearing alot about Elfen Lied. I hear alot about the violence depicted in it. Im just wondering, if anyone has seen it, is all the gory detail really needed?.

[flare60]

Yes it is needed, humanity basically locks up the next stage in human evolution outoff fear, and go as far as experiment and torture them just becouse they exist, they do this since they were tiny toddlers.

The massive carnage the main character produces is a way of her showing her hatred to humans who fear and wish to harm her.

[K_x_uksami]

Well, I might just watch it if I can prepare myself psychologically for it (however I would go about doing that), which sounds like no easy task to me. It's a shame to let fear block me from what sounds like a good series.

[Zabur]

People are fascinated by blood, sex and violence.

People getting their heads torn off from their bodies in a bloody chaotic mess.
Annoying nude female creatures naked.

Been there done that.

That has noting to do what Elfen Lied is suppose to be about. If you just watch it and see nudity, blood, and violence, then you are missing something in your head that allows comprehension beyond that which your eyes witness.

If you are going to watch this show, and just see nudity, sex, and violence, then don't bother watching it, for you will only bother the intelligent people on this board some more. You have the inablity to recognize a hidden meaning and story beyond that which is plainly happening. This is just hindering you from experiancing something great, something beautiful. This is hindering you from experiancing Elfen Lied.

I'm tired, I hope that made sense -.-

*EDIT*

Seriously though, Im hearing alot about Elfen Lied. I hear alot about the violence depicted in it. Im just wondering, if anyone has seen it, is all the gory detail really needed?.

Yes, it very much is.

[chain2treechick]

That has noting to do what Elfen Lied is suppose to be about. If you just watch it and see nudity, blood, and violence, then you are missing something in your head that allows comprehension beyond that which your eyes witness.

If you are going to watch this show, and just see nudity, sex, and violence, then don't bother watching it, for you will only bother the intelligent people on this board some more. You have the inablity to recognize a hidden meaning and story beyond that which is plainly happening. This is just hindering you from experiancing something great, something beautiful. This is hindering you from experiancing Elfen Lied.

I'm tired, I hope that made sense -.-

*EDIT*


Yes, it very much is.

you could not have said it more perfectly zabur
i applaud ye.

[Aires]

O K. If its so warrented, can you highlight the more favorable parts, such as the character development, the story, the past, and possible outcomes and insinutations of future episodes.

Would you reccomend it to me? My tastes range from Blue Sub, Last Exile, Rod, Perfect Blue

and more importantly, does it have a U.S release?

[Hiltz]

"People are fascinated by blood, sex and violence" is a general statement. Besides, is it not true that Elfen Lied does contain these?

I'm not that thickheaded. Heck, I've looked beyond FLCL's eye candy and crazy randominess to appriciate and understand what the story is and what it stands for.I've done my homework before I even watched Elfen Lied. Obviously, there is more to it than what meets the eye about this particular anime. Unfortunetly, I'm not going to be one of the viewers to watch it any further simply because it didn't appeal to me.

Anyway, we should be getting back on topic.

[Zabur]

It is not released to the US yet, but it is liceanses.

Here is a quote of what I posted a few pages back about the characters. It has a few spoilers, so don't read it if you don't want to know some things that happen. I won't go into the story, since it will ruin it for you, and I don't like doing that to much, heh.

SPOILERS

I've seen it.

It is my favorite anime. The story of Nyu/Lucy is amazing. All the characters come to life and none of them are plain. Each character has their back story, if it's the little girl who was molested as a child and ran away after her mother chose her sick demented step fatherr over her, or if it's Lucy, who went through years of torment because she had horns (which I thought were pretty cute by the way -.-)

Each character had a horrific back story, which I believe to be true to real life. Nobodies life is perfect, we all have out secrets that we never want to tell anybody.

Character names/information:
Lucy: Main character. She is a diclonius, which means she has the ability to control invisable arms that sprout from he back.
Nyu: She is the alter-ego if Lucy. She can't remember anything, cannot even speak. All she could say is "Nyu".
Nana: She is another diclonius. However, she was sent by her father to kill Lucy. She fails and ends up loving with the "family". Her ignorance of the world is shown when she burns thousands of dollars (lots of Yen) to make a fire to keep warm in the middle of the night. -.-
Mayu: She was molested by her step-fathers and abondoned by her mother. She was homeless and her only companion was her pet dog. She moves in with the "family" shortly after introduced in the series.
Kouta: He is a sort of father of the "family". He is the one who takes is Nyu, Nana, and Mayu after seeing them alone and homeless.
Yuka: She is Koutas cousin. She has fallen in love with Kouta. She is very jealous of all the women in the house who are close to Kouta.
Kurama: He is the one in charge of the Diclonius project. Where Lucy and Nana escaped from.

I believe that Lucy was the embodiment of prejudice. her simple difference turned the entire world against her. This forced her to use her "difference" for self-preservation. However, I also believe that she went to far in believing that she should destroy all mankind.

Nyu, on the other hand, was the embodiment of innocence. I believe that her lack of fear while beng nude expresses this greatly. She fears nothing, and thinks that no one is out there to hurt her.

Now, Nana, on the other hand, in my mind, is the definition of trust. She trusts that everyone has good in them, and that everyone has her best interest at heart. This is shown through her trust in her "father" who tells her to kill, and allows her to be tortured while she is no being killed. Also, I believe that she is right. In the end of everything, every character ends up doing what is right, even her "father" when he lets her live when he was ordered to kill her.

Mayu, I believe, is a result of a path that Lucy could have chosen. Instead of seeking revenge on those who hurt her (like Lucy did), she ran away. She still believes that most people are good at heart, and it shows to be true thought the series. This character is somewhat the opposite of Lucy.

Kouta is the only character I really didn't care for. He seemed kinda boring. His story is that, when he was young, his father and little sister were murdered. This knowledge seems to be wiped from his memory (he does this him self) until he meets the person who killed his family.

Yuka is Koutas cousin. She is the reason Koutas family get killed (nobody but you knows this). She embodies loneliness. She is always alone, unable to express her true feelings to Kouta. She sometimes get jealous when Nyu and Kouta get close. She always seems to be alone.

Kurama is the last major characters of the series. He is in charge of the department of the government that is in charge of controlling Lucy and other that are like her (diclonius). He is the one who Nana believes to be her father. I really don't like him until the final episode, when he understands how he has been leading a false life.


As for getting a copy of it, if you don't want to search for a place to download it, then just wait for the US release.

[Aires]

wow! just wow! Would you reccomend it to someone like me though?

[Zabur]

If you like deep dramatic tear wrenching story lines, then yes.

This is one of the saddest animes I have ever seen. However, I don't regret watching it, as it left a more permanent impression on me than tears.

[Krasnoznamonec]

O K. If its so warrented, can you highlight the more favorable parts, such as the character development, the story, the past, and possible outcomesWhat's the fun watching anything if you know everything that will happen next?

You could not have said it more perfectly zabur. I applaud you.x2.

[Aires]

i wanted a little bit of a discussion, I think i'll wait for this to show up here though.

I just severly hope they dont give an extremly cesnored version here

[Twitch]

..whoa..you guys have been busy :D

If you like Blue sub, then Elfen Lied may be just fine for you...I know what I like about most of the gorier anime, is that the storylines provide provocative deep storylines, when I feel like something intriguing like that..and then if i feel bored..*WHAM*
crazy shallow action is thrown in, and my attention is once again seized by the glowing screen...yup..it's all good :D

[flare60]

Personally i want to see an anime version of the battle royale manga, the manga does such an excelent job of portraying the darkness of humans, and some of the moments are just so damn heartbreaking.
You will seriously cry if you read this manga and understand the things happening.

That and the main characters come out way better then in the movie, even thou i love that too.

The program manager comes off like the monster and sick bastard he is too, the kind of character that makes you want to puke each time you see him becouse you hate the bastards so damn mutch.