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Old 12-17-2011, 03:56 PM   #1
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Help me out, guys.
My wife's birthday is in a month and I wanna do a sweet piece for her, featuring one of her characters paired with one of mine (we used to be big roleplay buffs back when we first met, d'aw! But that's a story for another time.)
So, here's what I've got in mind.
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now, obviously, this is the initial rough sketch/idea, and I already know this isn't gonna be easy (plus I want the picture to be awesome because, y'know, BIRTHDAY!)
So, from what you guys see here, any ideas/thoughts/comments/concerns?
I'll be updating this post as I do more work on the picture.
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:18 PM   #2
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I think your wifey's character's ribcage is a bit too big. and the shoulders on the your chara looks a bit too wide, and hangs over her in an odd way.
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:38 PM   #3
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Agreed about the ribcage on the female. Feels way too wide unless you intended her to have a bulky upper body. Which I'll assume you are not.

The arms on the female look off in terms of anatomy and perspective. I guess once the torso's settled they'll be the right width, but the right arm has a lot of upper arm and hardly any lower arm. I get foreshortening, but look at yourself and bend your arm to your shoulder. If you could touch the palm of your hand to your shoulder it should be able to grab it. Even with grabbing the guy's arm it's still too short. Basically more lower arm there.

We got the arm on the left side as overall way too short. The problem I think is because you have her arm tucked behind her breast. Because of that, there is the impression that her arm is right next to her ribcage. She wouldn't be able to hold her hand up to cup his chin, as she is, while her arms are against her torso. They'd need to be positioned out, so we'd definitely see more of her arm. I mean, just compare how the elbows would sit at her belly button. The right arm is a bit closer to hitting it, but the left is way too short if you had it hanging down.

The best way to double check these little matters is imitating the pose yourself/taking reference. Whether you be a man or woman, our bodies work relatively the same (except for obvious things like women having more curves and such). If you compare your drawing to how you position yourself in front of a mirror, you can find these mistakes. But its always good to double check with others.

Oh, and finally, I don't know how you intend to draw her face, but she would look better with an angled view than a frontal view. Especially if she's glancing at the guy embracing her. Not only will it look more natural but emotional as well. Overall you have some fixes to work on, but I'm sure that your wife will love it :3
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:59 AM   #4
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Thank you, thank you.
I know there's mistakes (and I appreciate you guys for pointing them out). What we have here is the quick "Hey I have an idea so I'm gonna sketch it down real quick before it leaves my mind and worry about anatomy later" sketch.
Hopefully, later today, I'll have time to refine it a bit. I'm trying to work on it when my wife isn't looking, since it's gonna be a surprise and all.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:20 AM   #5
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okay, it's good that you're doing thumbnail sketches.

as an idea, the pose give the proper feeling your going for, so i think this piece will work.
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Oh okay, good to know that this is just the initial idea Sorry, I thought that this was the beginning of your rough, though do keep in mind what I said if this is the pose you choose. I think it's a nice, intimate pose, but sketch a couple more just in case you come up with something you like more.

Keep posting your works in progress here, and we'll keep helping you along the way. You got the time, so keep working at it until you think it'll be perfect :3
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:45 AM   #7
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Thanks for the support, fellas.
Here's some more thumbs. I've decided I wanna keep the pose to be the same, if not similar.
It's good to know I have such supporting friends ("friends" used here liberally, as I don't know you people! Who are you!? What are you doing in my bathroom!?)
EDIT: He's not groping her boob. I want it to be more "sweet and romantic" than sexual, but I like the hug with his arms around her. I don't want to show any nudity in this one (keywords: "in this one").
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:04 AM   #8
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Hypothesis: Given pose is not groping a boob.

1st Experiment: Go up to a female friend (Test Subject #1). Not your girlfriend, as that would skew the experiment. Go big, or go home. Try this on your girlfriend's best friend. That should put things in perspective. Now, come up behind her, and give her a hug, and hold her boob the way you have drawn it. Make sure you hold it the way you have drawn it, or that's cheating.

Theory: Since you probably got punched in the 'nads, that means you were groping some boob. The experiment has failed.

2nd Experiment: Repeat the above experiment using your mom as Test Subject #2. Again, come up behind her, and give her a hug, and hold her boob the way you have drawn it.

Theory: Some retroactive abortion has probably occurred as a direct result of this experiment, that or your relatives have more problems than you do. The second iteration of the experiment proves the hypothesis is false, otherwise known as EPIC FAIL, or FACE PALM SYNDROME.

AzTech's Law - The pose you have drawn is indeed groping some boob. If you want it to be more "sweet and romantic, go for a proper hug. Grabbing some boob (or booty for that matter) is indeed sexual in nature, so stop trying to hide it already. If you want the pic to get her groove on, a sexual pic is probably OK to draw for your girlfriend. Giving that pic to her in front of, oh let's say her family, or her grandmother, would probably not be OK.

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Hypothesis: Given pose is not groping a boob.

1st Experiment: Go up to a female friend (Test Subject #1). Not your girlfriend, as that would skew the experiment. Go big, or go home. Try this on your girlfriend's best friend. That should put things in perspective. Now, come up behind her, and give her a hug, and hold her boob the way you have drawn it. Make sure you hold it the way you have drawn it, or that's cheating.

Theory: Since you probably got punched in the 'nads, that means you were groping some boob. The experiment has failed.

2nd Experiment: Repeat the above experiment using your mom as Test Subject #2. Again, come up behind her, and give her a hug, and hold her boob the way you have drawn it.

Theory: Some retroactive abortion has probably occurred as a direct result of this experiment, that or your relatives have more problems than you do. The second iteration of the experiment proves the hypothesis is false, otherwise known as EPIC FAIL, or FACE PALM SYNDROME.

AzTech's Law - The pose you have drawn is indeed groping some boob. If you want it to be more "sweet and romantic, go for a proper hug. Grabbing some boob (or booty for that matter) is indeed sexual in nature, so stop trying to hide it already. If you want the pic to get her groove on, a sexual pic is probably OK to draw for your girlfriend. Giving that pic to her in front of, oh let's say her family, or her grandmother, would probably not be OK.

Wurd.
Maybe I should've worded that a bit better.
Yes, his hand is, indeed, resting on her boob, but not in a way that says "Hey, baby, I'm totally getting me some of that!"
I've seen this pose before in which the man has his hand cupping the woman's breast without coming off as sleazy or an invitation to sex.
I have drawn pics to get her groove on before, but I'm not posting those here (or on the internet, for that matter). Also, she's my wife, not girlfriend.
Your experiments, theories and law made me laugh, though.
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Yes, his hand is, indeed, resting on her boob, but not in a way that says "Hey, baby, I'm totally getting me some of that!"
Yes, it does.

AzTech's Law, 3rd Corollary - ...Grabbing some boob (or booty for that matter) is indeed sexual in nature, so stop trying to hide it already.

Experiment #3 - If another man, let's say me, for example, were to hold your wife's boob like that, I would probably get punched in the nads. First by her, then by you. Therefore, your hypothesis is again proven false. Only a doctor can grab your wife's boob, without you having to worry about it. In this day and age, probably not even that. See the way his right hand is doing some fine tuning? Sexual.

Three strikes is fair baseball, yo.

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Also, she's my wife, not girlfriend.
I fail to see how that keeps it from being at least naughty.

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They did so.
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Going out of town this weekend, so there won't be any updates on this until at least Tuesday the 27th. Still, I wanted to say thanks for the support, fellas. I've never been able to successfully draw a romantic/cute embrace, so this is new territory for me, but I'm determined to make it work, dammit!
So, see you guys in a couple days, and again, thanks for the help. *salute*
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Thank you, Skyrim, for letting me sketch unhindered while my wife isn't paying attention to what I'm doing.
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I think I've settled on this pose. I know the faces and hands and muscles aren't defined yet, but I've been spending all the time I can on this drawing to getting the pose right.
See you guys on Tuesday!
EDIT: Just realized I left out her left arm. Bleh!
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Old 12-22-2011, 11:26 PM   #13
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Hmmm... Now that Az has pointed it out, all I see is the boob grab >>; I know it's not your intention, but it's there and that's how it looks. I don't think the final expressions are going to change that assumption either. Even if you tilted it so that his hand is resting on top instead of full on, I think you'd get more intimacy/comfort and less "I'm getting me some of that!" mentality. That's my opinion at least.
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im gonna second the bringing up of the hand
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I'll give it a shot, though moving his hand up would mean there's gonna be nipplage showing (though I don't think anyone will complain about that.)
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EDIT: Bam! I KNEW I'd seen the pose somewhere.
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And who's going to complain about nipples around here?

Ah, I see now. But that's exactly my point. His gaze at the camera and that little smirk on his lips reads loud and clear "I'm banging this tonight!" But then again, she's kind of saying that too. Just be careful with the final expressions. Intimacy is key, if they're looking at each other it becomes a more personal scene. But it looks like you aren't going for the frontal, facing the camera confrontational look.
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Back from the in-laws, and back at it.

This will be the final pose. Still fussing a little bit with the anatomy, but this is the pose I've settled on. If I keep thinking of more poses, it'll never get done.
So, I guess this is the initial sketch for real this time.
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boob grab hand seems a bit small
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I see it.
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Gonna try and do something craaaaaazeeeeh!
Gonna try and do a piece without lines! All painted! It'll be an interesting experiment, considering I haven't done it for a few years.
Here's what I've got so far.

Made his right hand bigger.
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